Thread regarding University of Phoenix layoffs

OMG is too embarrassed to admit he graduated( bought his credential) and still works and shills for a boiler room operation. Answer the questions, OMG. This shitholes days are numbered, and sling with this fake school, OMG and his fellow shills will be looking for work...at a local used car lot.

Wow, certainly a little angry there Mr Beowulf. Take a chill pill my friend. You stay with your traditional brick and mortar who has done very little innovating in the last 100 years and I'll stick with mine. Sayonara

OMG--I'm sorry you refuse to answer if you are a manger/director with UOP. Your writing and reasoning scream maladroit Phoenix graduate. Why do managers and directors pressure EAs weekly for new student numbers? Why do managers conduct weekly one-on-ones with EAs? I work for a traditional university--we never talk about how many students we've individually enrolled, or meet with our direct report on how many 'activities' we scheduled, or how many new applications we took. But you shill for this junior college and refuse to state whether you're a manager or not. Just answer the questions, OMG? Are the words too difficult for you to understand? You Phoenix, you.

Beiwulf - I'm sorry you feel so passionate about bashing a prestigious school like UOP. Sounds like you have a very serious resentment towards them.

@OMG--You can doubt all you like, but for-profit schools are in it to maximize profit, and as such, the enrollment department managers manipulate their advisors for monthly new student enrollments. You still haven't answered my question: Are you a UOP employee? Not to worry, though. Traditional schools are increasingly offering online programs at 2/3 less than your remedial college, UOP. If this school really wanted to change, they would have made the changes back in 2010. However, executives in Phoenix continue to use smoke and mirror tactics when it comes to real reforms. Stop making this boiler room operation into a legitimate university--it would need a not-for-profit status and a complete overhaul to be considered a respected institution.

Beowulf -- I really doubt that there are enrollment practices that focus simply on the number of students enrolled. Why would an institution who's sole purpose is to educate graduate people want to do the complete opposite? Yes, there are some serious concerns surrounding graduation rates and default rates but these things haven't been brought up to light until now. I'm assuming there are probably not many institutions out there who are capable to understand the student demographic in which the UOP and other non-traditional schools have been able to understand because those institutions just conveniently chose to leave them out. They simply say..."if you can't meet OUR requirement because you prefer to work, support your family and chose to prioritize other things first before your education then we don't want you." Instead schools like UOP say, "We'll give you a chance. If you truly want to give this a shot, we will encourage you, support you, provide plenty of resources that can help you get there. We understand school at this stage in your life is not priority but we know how important it is, so we have designed a program specifically to cater to your demographic. Here is what it's going to take." Institutions need students to survive. They also need them to retain. Programs are not easy and probably one of the reasons why the lower grad rates. However, institutions are just beginning to understand this demographic of students and beginning to take steps in a direction that may give them a better chance to success. Organizations, institutions and the government are all coming together to create a functional structure to help support them there. Why do you think other institutions (even those of Ivy League and traditional models) starting to offer more and more programs designed for the working-class population? So glad that UOP was one of the pioneers who took the chance in these individuals. Whether you want to say it is as because of greed or not...there are now over 800,000 alumni out there who they have made a difference for.

@OMG--do you work for UOP? If you don't, you know nothing about the shenanigans practiced my management in the enrollment department. If you do work for UOP( I suspect you do, and you are a manager or director, definitely a Phoenix grad), why is enrollment constantly looking to pressure EAs to enroll any student? Why do they have weekly one-on-ones with EAs? Traditional schools never do this. Enrollment teams used to weekly meet as a team and talk about overcoming student objections, but never did we discuss students who were having academic issues. You seem to know a lot about how the school operates. Enrollment continually tried to stay out ahead of regulators, but still wanted their EAs to 'sell' a program, even if it wasn't the correct program for the student. For example, if a student wanted to be an RN, and we didn't have an RN to offer, we were to talk about other programs like a BS in health administration, nothing that the student was interested in pursuing. Sleazy, huh? It still goes on as I know people at campuses and in Phoenix who tell me as much.

I'm not behind the scenes to speak about procedural methods of academic rigors or about one institution in general. I'm just speaking in regards to looking at education as one unit. Take UOP out of this equation and consider flaws elsewhere. Regulators are there to ensure practices are meeting or exceeding minimum expectations. If they have a problem with certain minimum requirements then perhaps they should raise them. obviously some steps have already been taken to address those regulations which have evidently made an impact on certain institutions. This includes even the traditional institutions who we're not in compliance. Gladly, seems like certain schools like UOP, possibly Devry, AIU, ITT and others who still stand have been proactive. Whether these intentions were to protect the values of their organization or not.. Being compliant with regulations also means that they are following expectations. Would you agree that perhaps the student loan lending practices need reinventing?

@OMG-sadly i wish you were right, but profit-driven executives cared more about recruiting ANY student rather than improving student outcomes. I know this because I witnessed P2 and all the other cosmetic changes, all designed to stay one-step ahead of the regulators. As EAs we talked about digging for motivation for new students and not about remediation for those students two weeks into their first course. If the Democrats retain the WH in 2016, UOP may actually sink. You obviously work in management. Be honest. Why haven't there been real structural changes made concerning the recruitment of students? If it's not about quantity, why are there so many managers? Why do they feel it's necessary to have weekly meetings with each EA? It's all about pressurizing advisors to bring in more students. Traditional schools don't browbeat their recruiters weekly. Wake up, OMG. The kool-aid is now laced with poison, and UOP might be the next Jonestown.

Beowulf -- How much more quality can you have? I mean the university offers ground zero support from the start. The moment the student either walks in the door or receives a phone call they had support by their side. From building an academic plan, talking about potential outcomes, state of the art online classes, electronic resources, mobile device access, career resources (corp partners, resume building, networking strategies, interview coaching, direct application to employer, exclusivity to some job opps, etc.), writting/math tutoring, life crisis counseling/concierge service, state of the art on campus computer labs, adaptive learning platforms, 24/7 tech support, administration offices opened mon - sat usually from 5 am to 9 pm. I mean the list goes on and on and on. I think the problem lies in the scrutiny people and sites like these bring to schools like UOP without truly knowing the investments made so that people who can't attend traditional have a fair chance at the American dream. What else can you expect from taking responsibility from a school? All these tools and resources cost tons of money. Give me examples of other institutions who come close to providing this type of experkenxe?

@OMG--the scimitar raised by the HLC and DoE over UOP is there for a reason. It's time to right-size this colossus for its poor performance. Look for the 90/10 rule to include VA benefits in 2016. UOP should have fewer than 100K by the end of 2018, and hopefully by then, the executives will be less about quantity and more about offering students quality.

Anonymous107234 -- Again, your argument makes no sense. Tax payers spend God knows how much money on other ridiculous things that I don't agree on. However, I'd rather spend tax money on education even if it means only making a difference in 40 to 50% of those who attend. Generally a four year program costs about $60k. If a person is eligible for 5 years of pell grant $5730 x 5 that's roughly $29k) leaving $31k. Some employers have tax benefits on their employee tuition contribution usually at about $5250 per year (or more). Multiply that over 5 years that's almost $27k. Do the math and students are left with under 5k of uncovered costs. $5k over 5 years would mean $84 per month that student can pay out of their pockets and NO STUDENT LOAN DEBT. However, many times its found that students know they can borrow max loans of 9500 - 12500 and decide to take it all out and worry about it later. Those are those students who probably later default because they have poor financial management skills. Even after explaining reprocutions from the get go.

@ OMG I cant believe your defending a scam corp that charges taxpayers thousands to give them fake degrees that nobody takes seriously over a website thatll just produce a pdf of a fake degree for free. Its worth the same. But UOP actually cost lots of money. If you look at thunderwoodcollege.com you'll see its an obvious joke that produces a fake degree but its worth the same as a University of Phoenix degree.

@Anonymous107640 -- sounds like you have it all figured out. I'm glad that you have managed to make it out on top with your sense of open mindedness and respect for those who put forth an effort to succeed. Glad that you're fighting for people's freedom of choice and good will. Your solution to just shut someone down seems to be the most appropriately thought out method. Congratulations! You have just conquered the world. GENIUS!

@OMG--You are a deluded shill, but like the majority of the imbeciles that buy their credential at a for-profit college, you are comfortably dumb in your belief that this credential is respected by serious employers. There aren't any for-profit dunces in executive management at Google, BP, Apple, IBM, or anywhere on Wall Street. Stop embarrassing yourself and admit this school is a play on low IQ idiots.

If you really think that someone who just completed, let's say a bachelors in business would only qualify for an entry level job with minimal skills, stocking shelves (or the like), you must be out of your mind. This person would have just proven in many cases, to be able to shuffle between a full time job, a family and probably other extra curricular activities. All while attending school full-time by the way. This person would have demonstrated the ability to understand time management, accounting, finance, risk assessment, decision making, leadership, communication, culturally diverse and I'm sure im missing quite a bit. Any employer who would dismiss this type of capability does not deserve having that person be a part of their organization and probably should rethink their whole business operation as well as their ethical and integrity standards.

Go to Straighterline to knock out you lower division and then transfer to a state or not-for-profit, on site or online. UOP is an obscene joke.

@OMG--You are obviously a management shill for UOP. I hate to break it to you but most prospective employers laugh when a candidate for employment submits a resume with UOP or any other for-profit school. Some of those corporate partnerships include Goodwill and Wal-Mart, or they did at one time. You're precise in that if you spend upwards to $50K at UOP on a four-year degree, you'll land one of those $10.50 an hour jobs, and you'll be stuck in a job like it the balance of your life.

Just because it's "way less" doesn't necessarily mean it's "way better." This is grade school common sense. UoP provides great value in what they charge for their programs. Any student attending should be able to balance work and school life full time. Take advantage of the fact that you're able to work full time and set aside part of your income to pay for your education. Look for employers who provide tuition assistance. The school has a plethora of corporate partnerships who do exactly this. Again "common sense!"