EDMC iis the laughing stock of education and so are the people who think EDMC is going to be around forever lol too funny
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"Poor students graduate from Duke (as an example ), as do talented students too" Sorry this is really a fantasy when it comes to respectable art schools. If you take RISD or Art Center for example, not only do they reject 2/3rs of their applicants from the start (with portfolios), they will actually remove students from the school mid way if the instructors feel the talent is not up to the schools standards, regardless of good grades. No refund either. So you have a pile of resumes on your desk, one for Art Center and one for EDMC, you have a deadline and need someone now, which pile are you going to place your bet on? And to be blunt, this is how most animation places hire, they dont plan months in advance like a slow moving for-profit college, they always seem to hire when they needed someone yesterday. Time is money and reputation does matter. You can question "working for your firm" all you want but you dont have that choice as a young struggling artist. Not if you want a job that is. It's not a company policy by the way, just letting you know that is what I have observed at more then one place.
This is R734 In a perfect world you guys are correct, a person should be judged by your talent and I am sure there are a handful ever once in a while that come out of Ai but that is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. The reality is, the business world does not have the time or will for lofty feel good ideals. They want the biggest bang for the buck, therefore screen out the known bad elements. They are not really loosing out because as I said, they have more then enough people at the very top pounding on their door they still have to turn away.
I too have found that the degree on the resume is not the deciding factor. Rather than laughing off the candidate...take a look at the talent. That is what you are hiring. So, to toss a resume onto a round file with out scratching below the surface makes me question working at you firm. Poor students graduate from Duke (as an example ), as do talented students too.
785- thanks for sharing your insight! I too taught for 10+ yrs in art classes and found the same thing about the 10% of students being really talented. It is a shame that potential employers won't look past the AI education on these applicants. Part of the EDMC curse I guess. I liked your perspective.
I hear you, 734, and, for the most part. I completely agree with you on the quality issue. I do have an objection, though. Having taught at an Art Institute for several years (Animation, Game Art, Visual EFX,) I had numerous very qualified, very talented students pass through my classes, (maybe 10% of them.) Some of them felt they had to take AI off their resume and just go with their reel. I always thought it was very stupid and short-sighted for recruiters and art directors to not even bother looking at at least 1 sample of a student's work. yeah, I get it, everybody's time is precious, but, c'mon, what does it take to click on a link? If you like what you see on the landing page, then you can decide to click on the reel. Creative skill sets are often unique, even taking into account the ensemble-nature of the production environment. In the long run, most artists will learn most of their skills on the job- what they bring out of school is an attitude, a sensibility and a real passion for creative engagement. These qualities will be apparent in the portfolio, regardless of where someone went to school. I get that you probably have a lot of antipathy for EDMC, I do too-that's why I lurk around this site. I will be happy on the day this company is taken down to its last brick. I just wish folks in a position to hire or influence the hiring of artists made the first impression of quality based on the applicant's work, not their Alma Mater.
Um, it's always been a joke. I worked there for 1 quarter and got out. Where I work now, when a resume comes in with the infamous Art Institute as the school, people just kind of snicker and pass that one right into the round file. It's not that the student did anything bad, it's just that it's well known within the industry how poor the education is there and how low their standards are for accepting new students, basically there were none. Their motto is we can take you off the streets and make you a decent artist. That's nice, but we are not looking for decent artists, we are looking for the cream of the crop, best of the best. We get over 4,000 resumes a month and only have about 200 full-time positions. This is without any openings folks. We are not advertising for hire.