Thread regarding Education Management Corporation layoffs

To those of you that work or have worked at EDMC, I wish you nothing bu the WORST!!! You are worm sh!t! Parasites! Bottom feeders with no real life skills, aside from ruining young financial lives! I love the nervous tone in some of your posts! You hear that knock!? That's KARMA at the door and it has finally caught up to you!!!

move on people. get a life!

Let me say this. A long time ago the sadistic nuns told us" now look class, you don't just want a job you want a career." Unless you go into a licensed profession, it matters little how much you attempt to legitimize yourself by obtaining a degree. The business world doesn't recognize professionalism, they mock the concept.

They only care about what you can bring to

the table. They don't want to carry

anybody. Take the example of the hapless

Ed West. To use a Trumpism: totally,

horrible, incompetent and did I mention

unattractive. Bottom line will always hold

true in this world. To a tremendous extent

it's who you know and who your willing to

fellatiate. The other side of that coin is god

is indeed a jester. Look at the evil one in the office or cube next to you.

I had no problem finding a new job with 6 years at EDMC on my resume. Although I was not in admissions or teaching. Some positions have overinflated pay but in many positions EDMC greatly underpays. The new job I got is in a much better place and my starting pay was more than what I made at EDMC when I left. Now if you are in management or higher then perhaps it would hurt you to have that on your resume.

I agree with 143589. I worked with a slimey guy who had his BS from AI then went to the University of Phoenix while he worked at AI then took the free degree at Argosy. He is Captain KoolAid because all he knows is for-profit BS. He is the most inarticulate man that I ever worked with. People like him will have a hard time working outside of the for profit system because they really have no idea how played they have been.

Well if you went to Ai then came back to teach, manage, and run a school, then I sincerely hope you CAN'T get another job. I know several people at EDMC who have done this. I am sorry, but at some point you have to admit you are not some innocent bystander, you ARE part of the problem. You helped create the mess and turned a blind eye to all red flags brought to you buy students and faculty while consistently moving up the ladder with blissful glee.

Former Ai admissions employee here. I was with the company for two years and finally got a new job in real admissions at a state school. It wasn't easy, but you can transition. I'm not much of a salesperson but I'm smart and know how to interact with students, so this new job should be cake compared to the oppressive atmosphere of Ai. If you're wanting to stay in the field, prepare yourself to be paid less. For me it's worth it (the benefits are great and I work better hours) and not having to set foot in that shithole ever again is priceless. Have realistic expectations.

EDMC schools are not attracting newly minted Phds. The faculty replaced at AI's from the last round of layoffs were excited - recent graduates. They do not have graduate degrees nor a lot of experience in their fields. The only Phds are Argosy online "credentials" from a few burned out faculty members still working the system. There are literally no educators in management positions. None. (Argosy MBAs are common with a few University of Phoenix "MBAs" too.) There will always be a new round of naive people to exploit as adjuncts. I have know idea how the schools keep their accreditation because the experienced and accomplished faculty are leaving in droves. Too many instructors could not be bothered to develop curriculum or check homework. There are some good faculty members left - they all have a side career and are just milking EDMC to the end. They have a good reputation and real credentials so will be ok. Maybe they have a child in college or a sick parent or another financial responsibility or even just like a student or two and want to see them graduate amongst the chaos. The changes in the schools (AI) in the last year are shocking because they have gone from bad to worse. To be clear - a lot of the new hires are nice people - just lack any training, experience or credentials which should be required for any faculty member at a college. The students don't know to demand more.

1. Thanks for you thoughtful insight. It allows me to be a little more sensitive to the bind the instructors are in; but not much. Like everyone else many are new to the game and anxious to make good on their newly minted, expensive Ph.Ds. In their zeal to start a noble career they too become used by ignoble business types. The real problem are the sadist moles that seem to really enjoy engaging in things that we know propagate the illusion of respectability. It's not by accident that none of these schools has an ethics department. Then again who is kidding who?

There's a really huge difference between Academic jobs and everything else (Admissions, Financial Aid, etc). Admissions reps are salespeople and productive salespeople can always find work. The pathway into "legitimate" Academic (teaching) jobs, especially tenure-track is very carefully guarded and being hired is usually a slow, deliberative process, often conducted by committee. If your CV prominently features For-Profit teaching experience, you don't stand much of a chance landing one of those plum jobs teaching in a "real" college. This is one of the reasons so many EDMC teachers stay in a job they feel is morally compromised- it comes down to survival. By the way, this topic is also emblematic for the huge divide and cultural misunderstanding that characterizes EDMC schools; Faculty and admissions, particulalry, are continually working at cross-purposes. Admissions usually prevails because it produces revenue. Management has a complete and utter disdain for faculty and it's not very difficult to see management's attitude as being one of, "this would be a pretty sweet business if we could just figure out how to do it without needing teachers."

To a very large extent, working in admissions does hurt you. I worked at AI for almost 4 years and applied for jobs the minute I got there. I was told in several instances in my rejection letters, phone rejections, etc. that "We don't hire from that company." The job I have now has several formal EDMC employees who all say the same thing, in fact, they tried to get hired at a "real school" and were turned down over and over. It really depends on what experience you had before EDMC. If that has been your first/only job, you are screwed; there are no skills you get from EDMC that are viable outside of the direct sales field. If you have spent some time before EDMC developing a real career, you will be okay; it just may take a bit of time.

"Hogwash! People are calling me for my resume everyday " If this were true, you would have taken one of them up on one of their great offers. The only people calling you everyday are headhunters sending out fake job offers "phishing" for resumes.

Hogwash! People are calling me for my resume everyday

Total BS. Companies in pittsburgh snap up EDMC people right away. Particularly in the health care field.

Everyone I know that has been laid off from our college over the past five years has secured a good job (and they are happier now, making about the same amount of money, or more, but none of these individuals were in admissions). It depends on a whole lot of things. I remember going into interviews and not one HR person knew of EDMC.

It really is pretty clear:

If you have no conscience and not pride in your work, just do what the industry does, move from school to school. ICDC is the hot one right now, they sell junk to anybody who can get a loan.

Leave the industry which may mean that for awhile you take a lesser job--there is some good advce above about including courses and seminars in the resume. Then you will also probably need to learn to lean in, you very likely will need to learn the skills of a well managed productive workplace.

Just don't put a job description in for you time there--most businesses and HR screens are onto EDMC--it may give them a hint that you left because you are above the place. If you were there a very long time about the best you can do is try to go to work for maybes a staffing company or some other high turnover business and just get your foot in the real business world. Most of the admission staff get jobs doing telephone sales--pretty grim but they do have that talent.

If you can just not enter the information you are better off all the way around. So the hint is that you would be better off finding a job through people you know rather than admit you were there. But if you are in places like Pittsburgh, Chicago, Atlanta, and Phoenix--good luck the word is out that you knew that you were working for a fraudulent enterprise.

Don't get trapped! Take a job earning a little less if needed then work towards and ethical career path. If everyone quit putting their time and talent into these schools then they would fold. Move on.

It depends upon what you did while you worked at EDMC. Did you go to conferences in your field, if an educator - did you publish? If you were lucky to have a job at an EDMC - and just have their worthless credentials - sure you will have a hard time getting a job. Truth is the people that still work for EDMC are only there until they find something better but then another naive or desperate person will take his/her place. The pay is still decent enough for too many to look the other way at all the fraud going on. No one can defend the education at this point. We all know it is a joke.

The argosy PhDs are worthless. If you have solid - non edmc - credentials, ironically, you will be better off.

It will haunt you if trying to stay in higher ed, but go for nonprofit.... may have better luck with leaving the industry.

Partly true. The biggest problem is the sheer lack of full-time academic gigs anywhere. After leaving Ai (in ca) I was able to land several adjunct teaching positions that paid pretty well hourly, but no benefits, and one needs to become a road warrior to cobble together enough teaching assignments to make a living. One of the problems with coming off an "Academic Leadership" position is that Ai doesn't require as scrupulous qualifications as do publics and non-profits. Many of the Academic Directors and Advisors I worked with weren't, in the strictest sense, qualified for those jobs, as reflected in their credentials. I'm not saying they couldn't do the job, just they wouldn't be able to land the equivalent job in the public sector without legitimate credentials. (And a lot of competition.)

You losers making bank right now better save up because soon you will be on the unemployment line

You should have advised them to run. Look much better on resume at any price.

The other matter working against you is that EDMC payed pretty good . You should probably research your salary expectations.