This is mainly for the <3 year experience, <25-27 yrs old that got laid off, what have you done since then? Vacation, unemployment, another job?
I got laid off in October with 4 months straight out of college and a 12 month lease, just want to know what others have been doing.
With 1 year of experience and not much savings one option is to move to the local commuting area of a preferred job market in cheap housing. The travels associated with interviews is expensive. And employers hire more often from the local commuting area.
1 year of experience , not much saving.This sucks :(
Old Fart, again,... just had THIS happy thought and wanted to pass it along, especially to 420. I'm now drawing Social Security (very close to the max, by the way), along with investment income, my wife is doing the same. It occurred to me, that, to be fair, I really SHOULD thank you, you little turd, for paying MY social security benefits. Seems wrong, in a way. I mean,... social security won't be there for YOU. And, by the time YOU can even THINK about retirement, you sniveling little slug, you'd better have 5-7 MILLION in the bank, or you'll be sleeping in a van, down by the RIVER! Oh,... I forgot to thank you for figuring out how to waterflood the Permian, too. That has really helped me out, dude. Seriously. Don't think I could've swung the AMG if not for that. Okay. Gotta run, now. We're packing for two weeks in The Keys,... sure can't thank you enough for all you've had to go through, just for me. So,... guess I won't. Toodle DOOOO!
420,... You're right. You, and your generation, alone, are the sole reason I am now driving my beloved Mercedes, which, as you note, I always DO park far away from harm, even taking up two parking slots, if necessary. I must have had absolutely nothing to do with it, I guess. I must have dreamt about the crash of '85, the loss of my home, a divorce, my ex absconding with our three children, having to track her down, the court battle, losing my job, a six-month search for another, bankruptcy, starting over with another (but, great) company, the cyclic downsizing, layoffs, relocations (didn't mind those, too much, I must confess), night school to sharpen skills, staying awake 'till 2 o'clock in the morning, studying, worrying about my kid's future, worrying about "our" future, worrying about the NEXT reorganization (they seemed ever present). I guess, through all that, I just lost sight, 420, that YOU were "out there", doing all you could, for little ol' me. How COULD I be so callous and unappreciative? So,... from the very bottom of my heart,.... Please just go pound sand up your ass, ya little PRICK!
I do know how to use a slide rule! These so called young ones never asked for anything more than a job they could work and a possible future. I've heard you gripe about us young and talk about the good old days. Oh and as far as teaching yourself the computers congrats most toddlers can do that.
FYI "teaching yourself" is what engineers are suppose to do. By the way, I am a woman, I guess you can not handle sharing space in the company with me. Give the people who were laid off a break. I am sorry to those who lost their jobs, and just remember there are plenty of assh....s still left at COP.
The key issue here is that the COP Canada President is not true to his word. He put it in writing and announced at a townhall that he was going to honor those commitments.
The other issue is that it should never come to a point where you need to layoff 50% of any demographic. Almost 50% of graduate engineers in Canada were laid-off.
How is that for SPIRIT values?
lol at the young ignorant "F U" post... I'm pretty sure it wasn't a millennial who invented hydraulic fracturing that enabled fracking in the permian... you might want to re-check that.
My response to "To the "entitled" post: f*** you. Do you have any idea how much school costs now vs how much it did back then when you're highness was dragging your asses through it?
MY COMMENTS: No, it did not cost as much to "drag my ass though it" (as you stated) and i did not look at is as such, Engineers were in an elite position to go forth an psosper (as Spock woudl say). For us old farts, we had to teach ourselves about computers (yes, the company had main frames on reserved lines and we did not have PC's setting on our desk). Have you ever used a slide rule? Have you ever ran cards through a scanner to run a program? Yes, we taught ourselves to keep up with current technology. You," the entitled" would have expected an increase in pay or a promotion, We just did our job. You need to look at those of us brought the company into the new world and allowed you to have a chance to be part of it.
I have applied far and wide and tried to make myself visible to as many recruiters and companies as I can.... Would go back to grad school except for the fact that I just finished grad school last december... let the recruiters and talent teams convince me that COP was the right choice to start off a career... meanwhile all of my grad school classmates are gainfully employed by smaller "less secure" O&G companies many of which haven't had a single layoff this year.
The boom is over. Your best chance for work is to look in another industry - and accept the fact that you will take a pay cut. That's the way it works in a bust when people (recent graduates) have such specialized degrees. Like paleontology's mass extinctions: when disaster hits, the specialists are the first to succumb, meanwhile the generalists survive.
And to the graduate engineer: the entire oil and gas community would like to offer you its condolences. What happened should not have happened, especially to someone who worked hard for 4-5 years. Please don't give up on the industry. Please keep applying for any position you see. Go back to all the contacts you've made through college. Friends, recruiters, collegues, professors. Try grad school. Applying for grad school isn't difficult at all and schools would do a lot for a US citizen to get into their programs as they're well undersaturated. Be open to go anywhere. Good luck to you!
To the "entitled" post: f you. Do you have any idea how much school costs now vs how much it did back then when you're highness was dragging your asses through it? Do you have any idea how competitive it has gotten since your arrogant self graduated? Entitled my ass. You probably barely even know how to turn on a computer. You probably take two parking spots at the grocery store because you don't want people to scratch your precious car that us, the entitled generation bought for you, through innovation and hard work. If it was up to you we'd still be waterflooding the Permian for a mere 2 bbl/day because it's "working, why bother changing it." So again, f you.
The statement "ride through it" is beyond absurd. Interviews start and end with details of the current role. A professional cannot depart a professional field for a number of years with the expectations of returning after the down ends and the up begins. The up and down of the industry are not discussed in the interview. The new hires need better information. And yes ConocoPhillips expects too much of new hires to layoff after less than 12 months.
I love how often I see people complaining about the "entitled younger generation".. they seem to have forgotten that somewhere along the way they were young and inexperienced too... most of us work our butts off to get to where we are and continue to work to get better at our jobs everyday old and young... forgive us for not knowing every in and out of the job on day one when you've been learning for years.
Good thing grad Enginneers are still young enough to change career paths. Friend of mine was cut now works as a process Engineer in manufacturing. Another friend cut in April going to med school. Look out of oil and gas, don't be afraid to take on temporary jobs and look out of Houston.
So when the company that guaranteed you a job (as to not interview around before graduating) lays you off because the employees and managers already there did not manage the company correctly for a downturn, that makes you entitled? No other E&P company I know of has laid off new hires from the 2015 graduating class.
190083, COP Canada President did essentially guarantee these kids a job... he "sent them a letter with his name on it" (quoting him) guaranteeing it.
It never ceases to amaze me how entitled this generation of kids are. Nobody ruined your career. Companies don't exist solely for the purpose of giving you a job. You're just a number no matter how much spirit bullshit they spew at you. If they lose money, you're out! Think of all the graduates with 0 work experience they're even worse off than you. This is just a downturn, ride it through, grow up and get over it!
Why did you hire me to fire me? Same here. Graduated May but still employed. Best wishes with your job hunting.
4monther L48 Engineer here too (with a 12 mo lease) I've just been applying to all the postings even though they want 5 years experience. No bites yet. Conoco ruined our careers in O&G by layoff before we could build enough experience to be valuable anywhere else.
How many junior engineers were laid-off in Lower 48?
3 year DE here, severed 5 october, start full time tomorrow. Non oil. Took 4k pay cut
No gaps is a b it of a stretch. The job search is a full time job. Interviews are at the convenience of the employer at the location at the convenience of the employer. I interviewed in Washington, DC last week and will be interviewing in St. Louis next week. Not much of an opportunity to have no gaps between jobs. The common recommendation is to work contract roles in the interim but no opportunities to travel for interviews. I am working towards a full time permanent role and have turned down a number of non permanent roles.
Apply apply apply, that is all you can do. NO GAPS!!!! Absolutely no GAPS in your employment after layoff, unless you want to be self-employed...