My entire Intel career - from being recruited away from a good job to Intel to start a team to being ISP'd for getting an SL4 for being "new to Intel" was < 2 years.
I made the mistake of believing anything that my managers or HR told me.
"The same HR now offering you higher pay will be walking you out the door in 2 year's time. I agree with the post that once you've decided to go (otherwise why would you interview ? ) it makes no sense to accept a counter."
It is funny how one of my managers always used to say "trust your leaders". I don't know if he was being vicious or he was too stupid to truly believe that. Never believe your leaders is 101, being dishonest is how they get there in the first place.
Basic stuff for people who spend all of their time finding the next job vs. actually doing what they're supposed to be doing in their present one.
That's the problem: If everyone operates in an environment in which they feel that they can't trust anyone, then nothing gets done (other than politics, scheming, back-stabbing, etc.).
At the end (beginning) of the day, somebody's gotta make the donuts.
Intel might not be the place that rewards actual work. But they're out there!
"Don't believe anything that anyone tells you.
Manage your own career and have plan-B and plan-C ready as contingencies.
This is basic stuff guys."
Don't believe anything that anyone tells you.
Manage your own career and have plan-B and plan-C ready as contingencies.
This is basic stuff guys.
You made a big mistake by believing anything that comes out of your manager's mouth. Let that be a lesson to you.
Come on guys, don't be naive. We are all in for the paycheck. Intel has no direction and any new ideas are rejected. The monopoly culture is counting down its days.
Intel evangelists and recruiters are very adept at painting an alluring picture. I personally know of one person they lured away from an award-winning globally recognized creative agency to work on Intel internal communications and marketing. Within a year she was severely disillusioned and felt she'd been sold a bill of goods by HR. She left on her own. Ironically the person who lured her with tales of Intel wonderment was affected by ACT.
yeah, the company is doomed since it's lost everyone's trust. Seriously scr3wed up.
Great thread!!
The posts here reflect well the post-ACT situation at Intel. There really is no job security anymore, doesn't matter if you are an RCG, >10 years internal experience or recent hire with outside experience. As another poster put it "you are always one manager, role change or whatever away from being shown the door." It is as simple as that. You can have an excellent Focal track record with multiple EE/Os, DRAs, external awards, etc all that doesn't really matter if you get the dreaded S/SSL4 for whatever reason (your new manager is clueless or doesn't like you, you decided to take sabbatical/leave that year, health/family issues). I know multiple people in those situations that were shown the door on the spot. That is how schizophrenic Intel has become. Especially for the experienced guys, as was said in another thread, "Intel needs you, but doesn't want you."
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"If there's a better way to destroy trust, risk-taking and initiative, then I don't know it."
I want to thank the respective posters for the following:
"I achieved Career Best after 10 years at Intel. Made excellent $$, enjoyed work, lots of recognition/promotions. Got new manager. Two years later got ISP. Now tough time finding work. Intel experience has not helped".... and
"Put it this way..I heard that Oregon has one of the highest masters and PHD that are Barista's."
Finally the truth. This has been my experience in a nutshell. It is very hard finding work out there and I expect tech to implode further (Cisco is a recent example). People are not buying new tech (other than phones), servers are going to the cloud (negating the need for individual companies to have servers/farms), and I expect China to come online as a direct supplier of Silicon and related components (modems, SSDs, etc.) within the next five to ten years.
I think that this will affect the Tech industry much as Detroit was impacted in the late 70's and early 80's with foreign made cars pouring into the U.S. market. You saw what happened to GM and Chrysler and the subsequent bankruptcies and bailouts.
I believe that we are just at the beginning of the slide for the industry as a whole. It is a great time to get retrained in another field or to retire if you can.
@nqq - I agree with you...right now in Oregon there are not a lot of high tech jobs (I am a hardware engineer - design and board layout)..and those that do exist are being hit by people from around the world....yes..the entire world is looking to move to Oregon. Put it this way..I heard that Oregon has one of the highest masters and PHD that are Brista's. Meanwhile...Intel and other companies are SCREAMING and lobbying for MORE H1B's.
OP Here. This was in response to the guy who was debating whether to take an offer at another company or stay at Intel (after he received a counter-offer for more $).
My point wasn't that I ever really trusted HR or management but that one can go from being begged to join the company by senior leadership, believing that you're valued and have a place in the organization for a long time...to being walked out as a "low performer" with ISP (for being "successful" and "new to Intel") in no time flat.
Despite getting external awards and recognition. Despite accomplishing more than 100% of objectives. Despite taking on stretch goals and challenges and representing Intel in the public sphere in very positive ways. None of it matters at all.
There really is no job security at Intel. It's all up to the vagaries of (really poor and inconsistent) management. You're always one manager, role change or whatever away from being shown the door. For being "successful" no less.
If there's a better way to destroy trust, risk-taking and initiative, then I don't know it.
HR works for the "company"
In hiring mode they will focus on trying to get you for the least they can, meaning sweet talk, position the company in the most positive light etc. etc.
Once in the company their sole purpose is to protect the company from lawsuits, that means for focal make sure everything is covered, don't for a minute think open door is about caring for the employee, it is to make sure that whatever the result their won't be a lawsuit against the company, thus overturn is saving the company money, upheld is bulletproof to lawsuit.
Then when it comes to layoffs or reduction all about protecting the company again, never do they have the individuals career or interest in their best interest.
When I was walked they HR was only in the room to make sure nothing could come back to a lawsuit, the didn't care about the people give me a break.
I achieved Career Best after 10 years at Intel. Made excellent $$, enjoyed work, lots of recognition/promotions. Got new manager. Two years later got ISP. Now tough time finding work. Intel experience has not helped.
Re: I made the mistake of believing anything that my managers or HR told me.
I don't mean to sound mean or rude but this is a good wake up call for anyone that thinks management and/or HR are on your side (ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR HR. They are NOT your friend. They are there to protect the company). You are extremely gullible if you believe that. Lesson learned. Hopefully for others before they get scr3wed.