Thread regarding Education Management Corporation layoffs

Teach outs and loss of accreditation=Ghost Institutes?

It looks like about 1/2 of all Art Institutes are in the process of teach outs or about to lose their accreditation, because of the ACICS failure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_Institutes

What's it like working at one of these "teach out" schools? I saw the "I Am Ai" video of NEIA and it looked desolate. What's it like teaching there or going to school there? Who is left? Do you know what month the school is supposed to close?

How about the schools that are not currently listed as "teach out" but are likely to lose their accreditation?

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State schools do not have to accept any credits... where did you get that nonsense from?

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I graduated from a teach out campus and it was terrible. The administration kept shrinking so you couldnt get what you needed from them simply because they were so overwhelmed and we ultimately wound up with one instructor to teach out the entire program. Some loved this guy and some hated him. I thought he was a good instructor but imagine being in the middle of a program and having to take the second half with an instructor you don't like. I got what I needed out of my degree, but it was the bare minimum. Had I gone elsewhere it would have been a much richer experience. At risk campuses should not be enrolling new students in my opinion. It's scary and disheartening to learn the university you attend is closing down. Thank goodness I had a different undergraduate experience at a traditional university which has a good reputation.

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This isn't accurate: "If it is a mandated code by your state then it is a transferable credit...state schools have to take the credit if they offer similar classes." Each school individually determines what transfer credits they'll accept. Typically regionally accredited schools will not accept credits from nationally accredited schools, although there are very rare exceptions. But there is certainly no mandate that requires state schools to accept credits from nationally accredited schools.

It's also not accurate to say, from an earlier comment, "any school worth its salt will only accept credits or degrees from a 'regionally accredited schools' such as SACS, etc." Regional accreditation focuses more on academics, while national accreditation tends to focus more on career education. This doesn't necessarily mean regionally accredited schools are inherently better or more rigorous (and although better/more rigorous schools overwhelmingly tend to be regionally accredited schools, there are plenty of good and rigorous nationally accredited schools). They each serve their purpose - you go to a nationally accredited school because you want to work in a specific career focus; you go to a regionally accredited school because you want an academically inclined program that focuses on critical and analytical thinking. But the latter can certainly prepare you for a profession, and the former can certainly instill strong critical and analytical thinking skills.

There are poor schools that are nationally accredited, and there are poor schools that are regionally accredited. There are problems with national accrediting bodies, and there are problems with regional accrediting bodies.

None of this has anything to do with the original post - I just wanted to correct a few items in the comments. For teach-out campuses - I don't work at a teach-out campus, but I have colleagues who work at a few different ones. The situation varies - at some, there's a strong sense of pride and students do not want to leave and transfer to a different campus, but it's slowly being strangled by uncaring regional/national management that's focused entirely on cost vs. income. At others, there's been mass hemorrhaging of students because there weren't good people left that still gave them a sense of purpose, mission, and direction. In all cases it's very sad and depressing, though, and the only real difference is whether the folks who are left can look back to when things were genuinely good vs. never having had those good times to look back on.

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ACICS is a national accrediting body. SACS has its faults as well. The goal should be to stay in school and finish your degree not jump around from program to program or college to college. Those student who wander will always pay more. As for transferring credits...your statement is partly true. It depends on the class code. If it is a mandated code by your state then it is a transferable credit...state schools have to take the credit if they offer similar classes. Not all classes in programs are state codes but most are especially the General education and program core classes. But AI has a bunch of programs other campuses don't offer so transferring credit is always going to be a battle...Remember all schools want to make money. If they don't accept your credits then you are forced to pay for more classes.

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ACICS is not a regional accrediting body and any school worth its salt will only accept credits or degrees from a "regionally accredited schools" such as SACS, etc. Its all a waste of time to have ACICS as an accreditor.

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The gravy train tracks have ran out for many of you skid marks who've ruined young financial lives!

Drinks on me when ALL Ai's nail their doors shut!!!

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I worked at a Teach Out campus but got hired at a traditional university. My last days at AI were extremely stressful. The entire Admissions team was laid off. Teachers were leaving for other opportunities after classes began. I never knew if the doors were going to be locked permanently. Our Dean was laid off and his replacement was rarely there. The Registrar quit and was never replaced. The Accountant was laid off and was never replaced. Many students left. It was a ghost town. I'm really happy with my new job and hope to never work at a for-profit again.

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EDMC is on Obamas chopping block. The DOE will pull the title IV funding soon. ACICS is working with the DOE to close as many for-profits as possible before Obama's out of office.

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I would assume the accreditation will shift to regional from many ACICS campuses. That was the discussion when the settlement information came out on our campus. We had just renewed our ACICS for another 5 years and the process was very intense, more so then years in the past. Our college seems prepped for another regional attempt, we did it several years ago and the process is not foreign to the admin and faculty. Unfortunately as we approached our review the college dropped the application because of cutbacks and expense. I assume we will go after it again if ACICS loses its ability to operate. But that could take many years with recommendations from DOE to change policies, attempts to enact this policies and reforms and if that goes badly then lawsuits by ACICS. ACICS accredits 900 institutions that now enroll more than 800,000 students. Stripping the agency's recognition would mean that students at the institutions it accredits would lose their right to federal aid and loans. Each school would have to pursue new accreditation in their region. If the DOE acts too precipitously, they will create chaos. As for AI, several schools already have regionally accreditation, for example Miami has SACS and Fort Lauderdale has ACICS. Much of the issues that have surrounded the for-profits that have closed or been shut down was their inability or interest in reforming and little push by ACICS to get them to reform. AI appears to have been preparing for these dark days and policies have been adjusted following DOE guidelines, at least on my campus that is all that has been talked about since the lawsuits. Only time will tell.

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