Thread regarding Whole Foods Market Inc. layoffs

This is bad. Drumroll For The Latest Scandal.....

This article focuses more on how poorly WFM sales are, barely skimming over the newest non-GMO labeling scandal. A coworker mentioned this to me several years ago, and I guess I didn't want to believe him. So now that something has leaked into the media, I am even more disappointed in the trustworthiness of WFM. Losing whatever shred of trust I still had holding on...

It seems likely that John Mackey has been sitting in on negotiations over the GMO labeling bill and is a-okay with the labeling ban passing, considering he has ensured WFM will have everything privately verified through the non-GMO project or whatever system he comes up with in the next couple years to ensure our customers can have their non-GMO food if they shop with us.

This is a whole new, twisted kind of monopoly if it is true, and Mackey has sold out to Monsanto for a return in WFM profits.

Read below & comment away...

http://complete-health-and-happiness.com/whole-foods-in-deep-financial-trouble-sales-plummet-following-deceptive-anti-labeling-position-with-monsanto/?t=MAM

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Post ID: @OP+K4k0FdG

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How about this Stanford article? https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html

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Post ID: @khfo+K4k0FdG

Well, believe what you want. It seems like corporations sure do have a lot of 'influence' on many of our universities and their R&D sectors.

Here's a Stanford article supporting the practice of organic farming.

http://fsi.stanford.edu/news/study_confirms_value_of_organic_farming_20060309/

Sorry, I don't have access to the peer-reviewed articles that Kirsten Brandt from Newcastle U has published. If you have access, please share!

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Post ID: @kgda+K4k0FdG

agreed. i'd rather read a peer-reviewed study than an article on a clearly biased activist website. anything's possible though.

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Post ID: @jlul+K4k0FdG

Right cause alternet is a reliable source of information lol. Of course someone here would post a link from a liberal activist site.

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Post ID: @hxee+K4k0FdG

-hivg, here's a link to a great article outlining some U.S. colleges that rely heavily upon corporate funding for their research.

http://www.alternet.org/story/76804/monsanto_u%3A_agribusiness's_takeover_of_public_schools/

If you don't consider the possibility that the Berkeley study was funded in part by Monsanto, Cargill, and duPont, you're missing the point.

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Post ID: @hvap+K4k0FdG

"I can understand your viewpoint, as well as that of the doctor who wrote that article, but writing off organics altogether is a mistake." You did give me some stuff to think about - thanks for the insight.

you make a compelling argument, and I think I went too far calling it a scam, but... i'm still not entirely convinced that organic pricing is worth whatever perceived or proven benefits there are to eating organic foods.

and i haven't seen any solid proof from anyone that GMO's are harmful.

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Post ID: @hivg+K4k0FdG

@grbh- Hey, you ought to choose a handle. This debate is great!

I had read that Forbes article before you had posted it. Well, part of it. I had stopped once I realized I could poke holes in just about every paragraph, but finished it once you referred to it. A few examples:

I've never heard anyone argue that organic-approved pesticides aren't toxic. If they weren't, they wouldn't be pesticides. What they are not is PERSISTENT. A good example is rotenone. It is an extract from a plant. It is very toxic, and a good gardener will use it only as a last resort. But it is unstable and breaks down in about a week due to light exposure, weathering, bacterial action, you name it. It also does not stick around in the body if residues are ingested. Conventional pesticides are often petroleum-derived and may hang around for years, retaining their toxicity as they build up in the soil. So what happens when that pesticide-laden soil blows into an adjacent forest, or runs off in a rain storm to a lake, river, or ocean? It's not just about the food you know.

Furthermore a naturally occurring chemical defense mechanism within a plant is not the same as an added pesticide. By that logic capsaicin, the chemical that makes peppers hot, is a pesticide in any form. Now if you were to take capsaicin and distill it in a lab and shoot it back onto plants at a thousand times its possible natural concentration, then yes, it would be a pesticide. But would it be persistent? As a naturally occurring, biodegradable substance, probably not.

As for the "organic must be free of GMOs" thing goes, you can thank Monsanto for that one. It's true that GM can infiltrate organics, because they are everywhere, just as persistent pesticides--and for what it's worth, pharmaceuticals-- are everywhere. If Farmer Jim is growing organic soy and Monsanto decides it wants to plant its GM soy right next to him, well that's too bad for Farmer Jim. In fact, Monsanto has the right to test his crops before they go to market and sue him for accidentally growing their trademarked product!

I will agree with you on one thing: organics are not what they used to be, or what they should be. In fact, the CEO of Eden Foods refuses to use the USDA Organic logo on his company's products for many of the reasons you describe. Seriously, go check out a box or can next time you're in the store. The marriage of Big Food with Big Pharma and Big Oil has distorted so many of our regulations on organics through special interest that it is barely recognizeable at this point. That does not, however, discredit the idea, and ideals, of organic farming. We get a lot of European vacationers in our store who often ask why our government permits such ill treatment of our population's food. Anecdotally their conventional is better than our organic in some instances!

I can understand your viewpoint, as well as that of the doctor who wrote that article, but writing off organics altogether is a mistake. I myself use both organic and conventional products, and I advise others to do the same based on their tastes. I do, however, read labels for "dirty" ingredients such as artificial preservatives. It's my firm belief that if a food can't go bad once it's been opened it wasn't food to begin with.

Also I'm an IPM guy. I raise livestock and will use medicines to save an animal if it catches an illness and can't fight it on its own or with "home remedy" treatments. I do not, however, treat prophylactically. Sometimes things happen that are beyond our control: wet weather, a cold snap, etc. Otherwise a well-cared-for animal won't need to be constantly propped up by antibiotics. When we do that we select for weakened stock, further reinforcing our need for these treatments and releasing more chemicals into the environment. Such treatment is now the industry standard. And we wonder why our drinking water is laced with pharmaceuticals.

Sorry for the animal tangent but the two are intertwined. I have more on that subject, all you need is to ask. ;)

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Post ID: @hemt+K4k0FdG

"Then, last year, New York regulators accused Whole Foods of price gouging and cheating customers with false weights and measures. The company settled the charges, but the scandal only increased its image as an overpriced store that eats up your “Whole Paycheck.”"

feel kinda bad for the poor kid in produce who basically started the wfm collapse by probably forgetting to tare a fruitcup or whatever.

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Post ID: @gcad+K4k0FdG

Here's an interesting article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2015/07/29/why-organic-agriculture-is-a-colossal-hoax/#7322e00d38e4

not a peer reviewed study or anything, but very compelling nonetheless, and a good jump-off point for further reading.

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Post ID: @gdmr+K4k0FdG

i'd say the same to you. there are plenty of sources debunking the nutritional value myth of organics. same with the myth that natural pesticides (which absolutely are used in organic foods) are safer than synthetic pesticides.

geez people wake up, organics is a scam designed for profit. Look up the UC Berkeley study as one example, it'll take 5 min.

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Post ID: @grbh+K4k0FdG

@gcto- I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is NO evidence to support the organic and non GMO movement. I found three reputable sources through a five minute Google search, including a British Journal of Nutrition study on, um, nutrition, that concluded just the opposite. Like in politics, I trust foreign sources more than domestic ones because they are much less likely to be tainted by lobbying, private funding and other manipulations. Believe what you want, but before you do, check your sources, and your sources' sources. You might be surprised at what you find.

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Post ID: @ghic+K4k0FdG

lol the whole GMO thing is such a scam - just like organics. There is little scientific evidence to support any of this fear. Just a way to increase prices for "certified non-gmo" products.

seriously though, look up how organics is just a gimmick and is not supported by any reputable studies. I believe there's a paper, just off the top of my head, from Berkeley debunking some of the misinformation out there.

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Post ID: @gcto+K4k0FdG

Corn and grapes have been hybrid for centuries. That is DRASTICALLY different from what labs are doing to create GMOs.

Hybrids are simply cross breeding with other plants of the same species for desirable traits. Hybrids CAN happen in nature.

GMOs are getting genetics added to their DNA from things that are from different species or worse, like roundup ready corn contains a chemical that makes it resistant to roundup. So you are getting both the mutant corn AND the roundup in the finished grain.

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Post ID: @gixo+K4k0FdG

4 kqj.. I am a science major and you are 100% correct ... I did four summers of monarch study. You would not believe the alarming decline year over year. I also did a rather long extensive study (and paper) on GMOS .. The paper was in essence a for and against .. Let me just say , I approached it very scientifically and finding the fors were VERY difficult .. I think , from a scientific standpoint, we will eventually see how damaging the GMO movement really is.. Unfortunately in our culture we only acknowledge the mess AFTER it's been made. We definitely foster a more reactive then proactive response...

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Post ID: @4dst+K4k0FdG

@3tai @3ark

I don't usually respond to such posts but y'all need some education. The FDA states that GMOs are nutritionally identical to non GMO foods and that they are safe to eat. Which would probably be true if they had been modified to, say, be red instead of green. However, most are modified to resist the carcinogenic persistent pesticides that are dumped liberally on them, while others get desirable traits, such as pest or drought resistance, from genes that also have undesirable side effects, such as toxin production.

I grew up reading National Geographic and I remember seeing ads from biotech companies about their GMO papayas that could end hunger in South America. I haven't been following the news for about twenty years, so has that happened yet?

So back to the pesticide resistant crops. A good example is Roundup Ready soy. They can plant the crop and spray the whole field with roundup. Which kills everything except the soy. Which means no wildflowers. No milkweed. Google the monarch butterfly population and migration changes. Also the honey bee population drop that had been happening over the last ten years or so. These are just two examples of events that may be GMO related. Just wait and see how many more come to light. There is a reason that much of Europe has banned modified crops.

Oh, and for the record, selective breeding is NOT genetic modification. All domesticated crops, pets and livestock were bred from within the species over many generations, not spliced from other species. I highly doubt the Mayans were able to breed a jellyfish with an orangutan. And yes, that is a real thing.

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Post ID: @4kqj+K4k0FdG

Most forms of grapes are gmos and have been for centuries..corn wouldnt even resemble what we eat if mayans hadnt modified it thousands of years ago

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Post ID: @3ark+K4k0FdG

The Anti-GMO movement is pseusoscientific b---s---.

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Post ID: @3tai+K4k0FdG

What's hilarious is charging Whole Foods prices for cookies baked with dough scooped out of a previously frozen bucket. Happens every freakin' day in South Region and tastes like shtt. Let's hear it for the highest quality products. What a joke.

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Post ID: @2tex+K4k0FdG

Hey, 1aij, if making money is so important, why haven't overpaid executives at global and regional been eliminated? It's obviously not important to these fools. Yes, it's important to real businesses but if your aim is to not make money we couldn't have better "leadership."

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Post ID: @2yna+K4k0FdG

To those of you who don't see the corruption in this or are indifferent toward GMO's, or don't understand the quality standards in general, please do the rest of us TMs a favor and educate yourselves or go back to Jewel or Kroeger please!!!

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Post ID: @1nvv+K4k0FdG

In my experience, the idealogues who spout off the most about how they're saving the world, the planet, and the human race, are typically the biggest frauds and hypocrites you'll ever meet!

Mackey and his ilk are no exceptions to this, apparently. Sad but true.

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Post ID: @1gbi+K4k0FdG

Youre kidding yourself if you think the news will care about team leaders. Dont get me wrong. I think its a crime. But that sh-- wont sell. No one will read that.

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Post ID: @1aij+K4k0FdG

Imagine that a grocery store needs to make a profit to stay in business and pay people, it's all a rumor right now u should read it closely and if u think u can survive without making money that's crazy it's not a non profit

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Post ID: @usa+K4k0FdG

The next scandal that is erupting is going to be how store level team leaders got new job titles and a monstrous amount of new work with discussion and no raise. This is going to get to be a very big story and hurt the company very badly.

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Post ID: @bxs+K4k0FdG

This is old news and rumor based for those who don't understand the legislation.

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Post ID: @vve+K4k0FdG

The pies in our bakery were so much better tasting with the gmo's. I wish they would have left that alone.

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