When and why?
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Celestica is also working with UT. times are changing folks!!
El Mosca!!!!hahaha this totally made my day!!! Orale buey!!
Soooooo last Sept. when Torrance shipped $42 million with most of leadership on vacation that was doing it like 1985? This guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Torrance used pray real hard to ship $100 million in a Quarter.... now this is the routine.
What big push? Work has been coming back to Torrance from Mex.!! It's not tribal knowledge, Torrance is building state of the art hardware (ECS systems), not ball point pens. I don't like the entitled attitude of many of the old timers, but right now they are the only game in town. Everyone knows that an assembly plant no matter how complex can't exist in the US, especially Torrance, Ca. It will take another 5-7 years for the "changing of the guard" to happen, then you will see the transition happen quickly. Building Hi tech hardware in Mex. has proven to be risky business, they have already moved all the easy work down there. Culturally there are some things the US businessmen will never understand... El Mosca!!! ja ja ja Que Onda bueys?
to the Garrett 'ol timers poster - so you think the new elite process oriented newbies are any better engineers? Newbies know nothing but paperwork! Go ahead, try to develop new hardware and ship old hardware without the Garrett 'ol timers.... ship them using your marvelous processes and crazy preso and metrics!
Ottawa, Olathe Deer Valley
MM has GSI trying everything to move out of Torrance. Big push. It will happen, just need time and money. Funny thing is, it is the pain in the a--, Garrett, old timers that make Torrance such a craotastic plant to work with. They have made tribal work process a profession. "Were still doing it like 1985." is the battle cry of Torrance.
Sarasota and other business they don't seem to want to fund or invest in would be likely choices. There are several smaller businesses that mngt is either too chicken $%@% to invest in or too emotionally attached to, to divest or close outright. that might be the only compassionate thing to come out of the new overlords, perhaps they will allow divestiture of whatever they deem non-core, rather than enabling the slow, painful starvation that is the MOS today. may OS RIP...
Most of the 777x hardware will be qualified and built in Mexicali. There is still a ton of defense contracts that don't allow process change or non US citizens to work on. Of course they purchased a smaller site in Garden Grove, Calif. (down the fwy) the builds very similar mechanical product. So maybe all commercial down to Mex. and Defense and Space to Garden Grove and Lab services to Czech Republic? About what they did at the HTT Lomita plant in 2003. I guess I've always known that was the long range plan for Torrance site. Might take about 3-5 more years, depends how much they are willing to pi$$ off the customers.
They are spending a ton of money to remodel bldg. 22 office area to open concept... very modern, lounge areas, TV's, foozball
Torrance will not go the way of Celestica but move south of the border and occupy that new bldg.
The thing is, they keep trying that but usually hsve to bring it back due to poor quality so your guess is as good as mine
"Albuquerque is a DSES site and will not be converted, neither will Glendale or Minn/Clearwater."
But you best believe that places like Washington state and Minnesota (high cost regions) better not think they are invincible. All of the equipment and jobs can be moved to a low cost region in the US.
Tucson and Toronto do not make PBA's for Torrance? Torrance has very little interface with Tucson, but almost all sensors come from Toronto and valves come from Tempe for ECS pack assemblies.
Torrance, only has a few electrical gov't programs left with only a few employees left on the line. $30-40 million in revenue per month with old timers on their way out. Many LRU's have already transferred to Mex. Why do anything?
Actually, I've heard Celestica is not such a bad company to work for. I think folks are just butt hurt they couldn't finish their career at Honeywell.
I heard Engines and APU business was up for sale, heard nothing about Tempe, but the new site lead is the same guy that was the site lead for Tonronto and Tucson when they decided to sell to Celestica.
Thomas Prouse, he is either purposefully sent in to transfer sites to celestica, or he is the worst site leader in the world and each site he touches goes to s%#t and ends up being forced to outsource
How's about Tempe and Phoenix ala Phoenix Engine. There're a lots of talks about these sites but nothing solid yet.
Deer Valley was already scoped out last year, it is the next conversion to Celestica.
Albuquerque is a DSES site and will not be converted, neither will Glendale or Minn/Clearwater.
But Urbana is to be sold off.
South Bend and Rocky Mount are uncertain, either we sell them off or BLOW THEM UP, such a mess, still struggling with a strike in South Bend, seems like it is just getting worse, nothing ships
Torrance is uncertain as well, but laws in California make it hard to make a move, so it will be left alone for now, but internally, feelings are to get the products out of there soon to a state that can control the workforce better.
My Guess would be poor little Sarasota site.
Albuquerque
South Bend
I don't have any official knowledge but on paper Torrance seems like the most likely to me. It's a mixed mechanical/electrical site with some crossover to both Tucson and Toronto, Celestia is already building the PBAs.