Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Darius and Cote do not think Trump can hurt them or their stocks.

Internal memos says stockholders will not pay attention to Trump if he points out Honeywell as a company that gouges the government. Memo pints out how employees are tweeting margins used in the F35 program and other government contracts and moving jobs overseas to increase margins

Some of these leaks are also pointing out margins on Boeing, Gulfstream and Airbus contracts

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Finally, what I said 16 days ago is confirmed. LoL "Mr. know-it-all". http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/01/06/Air-Force-Trump-Sorry-F-18-Can-t-Replace-F-35

Please don't turn it in to a political discussion. Unlike you I came up through the ranks with "in the trenches" experience.

OP: The Cynic... The F117A was developed in 1978 under POTUS Jimmy Carter... Hmm what kind of computers did they have back then?? Sorry you don't recognize what an engineering accomplishment that was. Guys like Kelly Johnson and Cliff Garrett made Aerospace great. The F117A really needs 1.5 pilots and if you understood the coating you would understand how the Serbians got lucky. But really only one aircraft lost in combat isn't a bad thing. The Aircraft is only invisible to radar not visual identification, remember it's sub-sonic speed by design.

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Post ID: @gfqd+KZ42ViR

In my years of working in flight test at Edwards and Hill AFB's, I found that test pilots usually fell into one of two general categories (although there were exceptions in the middle):

A. The good and the best test pilots were not only very competent but were very personable. These were guys who could light up a room anywhere they went because they didn't have any axe to grind, nothing to prove, an easygoing teamwork spirit, and more often than not, a sense of humor. These guys had a steady gate and did not panic under pressure. They followed the flight test cards, suggested improvements when they had some, and would work in other test points on the fly when they could. If they made a mistake, they fessed up immediately & felt genuinely bad. These were the kind of guys you wanted to work with, and have a beer with at the end of the flight test work day, back when they allowed beer in the flight line pilot's refrigerator (and you could smoke anywhere except the hanger).

B. The mediocre or marginal test pilots were somewhat competent, but not very personable. They were not very teamwork-oriented & were edgy at meetings and emails. They couldn't keep their cool and got angry when things didn't go right. When not able to complete flight test cards or the tasks, they would blame the test cards weren't clear, in error, or was some engineer or other person's fault. These were the kinds of guys you dreaded working with and they thought they were always right and you are wrong & no matter what you say they always act threatened. These were the pilots you never wanted to have a beer with at the end of the day, but if you wanted one, you had to hang out with them anyway and make the best of it. But they were always a pain in the arse to work with and often mean or un-professional.

Another valuable lesson I learned in my years of flight test, NEVER speed on a U.S. AFB road. Even in the desert.

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Post ID: @4iyz+KZ42ViR

And you still don't know what you're talking about dill weed...... You've been working at Honeywell too long. I find it funny that people with no real world experience try and make up stories to make themselves sound intelligent. You don't even suggest a hint that you have "for real" insight. F-35 has turned into a "Money Pit" but not for the reasons you state. Please, lets not even start to talk about the politics of what the Military should buy. If you don't get why only an idiot would compare a F-18 to the F-35 and Air Force 1 to DT's personal jet, then please retire ASAP..

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Post ID: @3uzm+KZ42ViR

The F-35 is a giant leak.............................................of money.

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Post ID: @2can+KZ42ViR

Doh. "years" not "hears". Oh the Christmas wine...

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Post ID: @2adh+KZ42ViR

@-1vme, I'm guessing you're directing the "Mr. know it all" at me. You might be angry today as you may have not had a good day or something.

I was trying to bring a little humor to things while pointing out that all this new technology doesn't necessarily create a good aircraft, if the objective is to fleece the taxpayer instead of delivering a working aircraft. Lockheed-Martin has had plenty of time to get it right with all the money they've asked for (and more). They get most of Congress behind them because they made sure the aircraft components were split across many congressional districts so few would vote to kill a project which they have stakes in, and so many workers would lose their jobs. Seems like a pretty corrupt situation to me.

I think we can take proven airframes with updated avionics & engine technology and make great fighter aircraft. The stealth technology to me has proven to be a folly. Our "enemies" (the ones with resources) already can detect them with radar, so it's all a bunch of crap. The Serbians were able to bring down F-117s so we don't hear about that much.

And by the way, I have many hears of flight test and flight line experience. So what's it to ya?

So if Lockheed is "going to cut the cost of the aircraft", guess who they'll take that cost out of? The worker bees. You can be assured the Cote types will get paid first, then nothing but urine below.

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Post ID: @2sag+KZ42ViR

Only one version has vertical take off and it has a crap load of problems. Also it carries less payload as a result.

Just because you worked for Lockheed filling useless paperwork doesn't make you an expert. Just makes you a paperwork pusher which is what 85% of Honeywell is for example.

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Post ID: @1lsq+KZ42ViR

Listen to this guy thinking we do not need runways, what Lockheed schill....we do nto care about vertical lift, it does not make ripping off the taxpayers worth it.

some old guy thinking because he worked at Lockheed Martin he is the best, well sorry but Lockheed is the biggest trip off today......toys for pilots is all they produce, biut not anythgin for the American Taxpayers.

Trump will make Lockheed pay of take the work and money away

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Post ID: @1cag+KZ42ViR

You don't know what you are talking about. F-18 needs a runway, F-35 is vertical take off/land no runway req'd. I wasn't fooled. I worked at Tonopah for years, so I've seen them head to head. Please someone with Air Force experience enlighten "Mr. know-it-all". Harrier has some inherent "intake/nozzle/backfire" issues the Air Force wasn't having. The Northrop version (copied Harrier) had the same problem during the fly-off phase. In case you didn't know, Boeing already supplies large portions of the F-35. Companies need to stick to what they do best. Lockheed: U2/TRII, SR-71 (RS-71), F-117A, F-22, F-35....Hmmm you're right, all junk..... LMAO different planes.... different Sorties

Stick to what you know .... The Honeywell "Bumper shop" or as it used to called: Garrett "Air Repair (Research)"

If you've never worked "Flight Line" don't even bring what you think you know from the internet.

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Post ID: @1vme+KZ42ViR

Any of course Post ID: @KZ42ViR-1igy is fooled too, because he sounds like he bought into the Lockheed BS story. The F-35 is a POS and an upgraded F-18 could do better

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Post ID: @1tjf+KZ42ViR

How about creating a "Super Harrier" (VTOL) and a "Super A-10 Thunderbolt III"? Update the avionics & use the new engine technology. Build it ALL in 'merica. However, leave Lockheed-Martin out of it, or it'll never get done and you'll never know the cost of it. Also leave Honeywell out of it or it'll never work. Also this time leave out Congress who parceled the F-35 out like holiday gift bags to all their districts for votes & campaign contributions. Oh well, never mind...

Happy Holidays (grumbles)!

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Post ID: @1egj+KZ42ViR

Asking Boeing to quote the F-35 vs a F-18 just proves how ignorant DTrump is. Hello????? vertical take off and landing, Mach 2 super cruise (w/o afterburner), comparable avionics, but completely different mission capability. Nobody is fooled except the general public.

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Post ID: @1igy+KZ42ViR

Keep the leaks coming.

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