Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

@KZa5AZP-3mnv Sounds like what was my situation, sadly my new boss was a total a$$ and gave me a L4 so after 20 years was forced to test the waters. To my surprise met a lot of nice CEOs and senior managers and couldn't be happier I was forced to leave that toxic mess called intel. It is a lot like the Third Reich during collapse all the leaders are running around focused on power protection and $hitting on their peers as the arriving ARMy conquers it all.

Like my engineering job. But I get to spend less than 30℅ of my time goes into real technical work, versus 70℅ into sundry meetings and nervous emails from project managers at the rate of one every hour. Toxic micro management prevails over all engineering from people who contribute nothing. Been working under a toxic micromanager in DCG, who screams and fumes at font sizes and number of bullets on a slide and shadows you in everything you do. Too much of bureaucracy and bubledom hampering real work, leave alone creativity. Senior managers do not even care to follow the work I do. Inflation adjusted paycheck going down YoY. I anxiously look forward to Friday. Will jump ship in a beat, if not for family constraints.

All of silicon and package management is now the same good ole boys club.

That group of managers are all cut of the same cloth and same management style and thinking. There won't and can't be any innovative or creative thinking out of TMG with this lot. Sadly the outside guys like Murthy know nothing about technology or manufacturing.

TMG and Intel's fans and manufacturing fate is set with Sohails and his merry clowns, scary heah, 🙄🙈

@1die - Worst of all, under the BK regime, the same toxic micromanagement has now extended from PTD and TMG to the rest of the company, completely stifling innovation.

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It's a management issue. The job went from engineers being allowed to engineer to one of tons of BS to make an improvements while PTD still sent the same immature process.

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You are entirely correct on the PTD comment. All of TMG is run like PTD and it s---s.

@KZa5AZP-1odt. BK and HR should pay notice why and what happened after P1264. Is this a technology issue or management issue in TMG 🤔😉

@1wni you sound like the perfect Intel employee. @1odt nailed it.

Nope, hate it. I'm currently on my final sabbatical. I haven't liked my work for about 10 years (since the P1266 ramp). Intel was worth it when Andy was CEO, but has gotten worse with each successive moron CEO. It is basically like every other big corporation in America that has been overrun by SJWs.

Some of my work has been enjoyable but the amount of sh*t you have to put up with to get any meaningful work done is too much. TMG manages by indicators or dashboard lights. It literally is a game of whack-a-mole. I'd rather watch dog crap dry then do that job beyond sabbatical. Intel has become the world of Atlas Shrugged.

I plan on bailing after this sabbatical. It is no longer a win-win proposition and I'm going Galt!

A job is a job, and if you let your job define who you are then you'd be a sad sack of sh-- when the job goes south. YOU are who you are. Your job is a means to and end. Sh--, get it straight!

Technology and projects are really cool

Panning is horrible

Resource mapping doesn't match the ambitions

Talent and people management is horrible leading to bad behavior among the foot soldiers as well

Nobody believes a word of top executives anymore

So, Overall, pretty miserable

I actually liked what I was doing, had W/L balance totally under control, and liked all the people I was providing service for. The problem was that under the age-ism and Focal system rules, I had to go. An RCG now attempts to do what I did but she's just keeping the seat warm until they shut down the function altogether.

@oog exactly. Intel is a victim of its own success and they've become too big and too clumsy to preseve or recreate the initial conditions that led to it.

1) The technical work many of us have done has become more bureaucratized. Not unlike the Federal Government and it's excessive regulation, it requires more time and sweat to produce work output of fixed quantity N and more difficult to introduce an innovation that gains traction and acceptance.

2) The reward system has degenerated into a subjective smelly mess. This has caused many good people to get ISP-ed/VSP-ed, many incompetents to be promoted way above their "Peter Principle" level, and leaves everyone else wondering how they will be assessed and what the next "Focal Surprise" from MCM will be. This toxicity chips away at morale.

Until they fix these problems, these issues will continue to make work at Intel less and less fun -- regardless of what one's specific responsibility is or what your TComp and benefits add up to.

yes, I enjoyed my work. It was a dream job in that respect- I was getting paid to pursue my hobbies. I basically created my own position at Intel doing what I loved and I was very good at it. Eventually even that was not enough to offset the work environment so I took the package and left. I am still doing the same hobbies post Intel and would do this for free under the right circumstances. I do find joy in just the creation of the artifacts. Getting paid for it was a bonus. It's pretty hard to find people like me that will continue even when you treat them like sh-- though.

I agree that salary, stock, etc are a counterbalance to the cr*p that one has to put up with.

However, what I am struggling to say is to take whatever you are doing (circuit design, device driver development, logic programming for an FPGA, playing with physics and chemistry to come up with a new fab process, whatever) and ask yourself, do you really like what you are doing?

A way that I try to answer is to take the work itself (not the bosses, the salary, the stock, the sabattical, the GPTW events, the gym; etc) and move it to a volunteer position at a non profit or even move it to a hobby. Would you do that.

I am fining out right now what I like to do with my time now that I am retired. I found out, for example that I don't like teamwork carpentry (making sets for a theater with a team) nearly as much as creating metal sculptures on my own in my studio. I also do software development and logical programming for an FPGA for sculpture projects very much. All of these with the possible exception of doing group carpentry are more fun than much of what I did at Intel (configuration management and enforcement).

So, putting all else aside, if Intel gave me an assignment of doing group carpentry, I would not like it. If, however, they gave me an assignment to program and FPGA, I would like it better.

This is what I am trying to ask. Take out BK, MCM, salary, GPTW and all else.

You cannot fairly answer this question without considering "salary, focal, sabattical, ISP, VSP, etc." For me and other long-time, hanger-on-er's compensation and sabbaticals far outweighs the other cr*p we have to put up with. For those reasons, I can say that Intel is tolerable.

A wise old inteler once said there are three kinds of people at intel.

"The Good". They come and quickly realize what a terrible place intel is and quickly leave.

"The Bad" they are just perfect and get s---ed in as are widely successful. Perfect place for them snakes.

"The Crazy". They are good but sell a little of their soul and comprise on their morals, crazy in selling a little of themselves every year and stay but realize they shouldn't. After two decades so refreshing to see their is good and it can be successful too!

I'm sure there are plenty of midlevel managers that truely enjoy waking up every morning to the smell of blood in the air. That's BK's culture. It was created in the factories by PTD and now it rules the whole company.

Problem are so fundamental and structural that it is impossible for any insider to fix. All was lost when they selected an insider to replace PSO, what was worse the new guy was a career insider who got ahead with mindless manufacturing focus.

Perhaps leadership in the other divisions have some glimmer but TMG which is the engine that drives all is so broken from a leadership, vision or empathy. When you have such a situation in the heart of the company then any recovery is very unlikely.

Given the status that we are at the end of Moore's Law,leadership and vision where there is risk taking is even more important and sadly none in TMG at the moment, so couldn't be happier I have hitched my career to another company!

My only regret was not leaving earlier ...

I think we all agree that this company has gone beyond the point of no return for a company which people actually enjoy working for. I'm in agreement with others here who spoke that at one time it was a pleasure to awaken on a Monday morning and look forward to achieving key initiatives at work and enjoy the comraderie. Those days are long gone since Andy Grove left. The culture, the mindset have all changed for the worse. In my last couple of years at Intel, it was a real issue for the manager to even find time to plan a team builder. It got so bad the department really lost all interest in teambuilders because the sense of need and comraderie away from work had been lost entirely. Sad.

yep, the other two replies pretty much sum it up. uncanny accuracy. I was there for almost 30 years before I took the early retirement. The first 20 years were great, I really enjoyed what I was doing, I worked with smart respectful people, and we were doing great things for the company and for the world.

The last 10 years not so much. That's when it started turning to sh--. They hired Bain, did SET, and loyalty went out the window. Even significant corporate decision since then has just been wrong. PSO got whacked for hightech lawsuit and BK pulled his final strings. Bain is still there. I think the company just got too big and lost its way.

+1 @KZa5AZP-dvw

The irony is that I really, really tried to enjoy what I was doing at Intel: to have a positive attitude, to insulate my team from BS, to take a stupid assignment and turn it into something - God forbid - useful, to foster teamwork and collaboration, to model transparency, accountability and honesty.

In the end, I found that these are contrary to Intel culture and norms...and that made Intel a place at which I did not enjoy working.

For the past few years hated the bosses, hated what the cultural had become, and losing self respect for the company and ability to look my new hires and longtime employees and answering their question about career and company directions and fortune honestly.

The company has gone to $hits, dominated by turf wars and focus on divisional positioning to avoid blame for every screwup and slip.

Hated how I had to fight my partners and work only to avoid blame. Yelled at for asking about the right things and doing right!

Why did I stay, money was great and didn't want to uproot the family. Loved the team I had built and a few of the colleagues who hadn't been poisoned with what it takes to get ahead.

Got shafted this time around by my new boss. First level 4 in twenty years, had four promotions in those two decades, but suddenly treated like $hit and walked out.

In my new company couldn't be happier. Are the managers demanding, yup. Are they selfish territorial and focused on blame avoiding in their actions, nope. Couldn't be happier I left, and feel lucky I did with the great package.

The quality of all management dropped quickly after Andy Grove left the building and couldn't be lower now. Each successive CEO and his promotions have been worse and worse and BK and the MCM is terrible now.

Sad as I still have many friends there and their life depends on the company, for them I hope it works out, but couldn't be happier I left that pile of $hit three ring circus it had become. Strategy and structure of the company is ill positioned for the new world order in semiconductors and yet management continues to beat the same old mantra, pretty amazing the delusioned thinking and lack of transparency.

I don't talk at all to my ex colleagues as nobody reached out, too busy, or maybe they really don't give a phuck, who knows, but I am happy to have moved on to far better pasteur than my old grazing ground.

Happy Holidays to my old colleagues and may they have a few moments to reflect and make me sure they step back and validate they are doing the right thing for career and family during this holiday

I'm no longer there (retired early) but that's because my answer to your question was a resounding NO, I did NOT like working there. I wanted out so came up with a plan to retire early and get the heck out of dodge.

I've been asked to return by several different people but my answer is no thanks, I left for a reason and no way in h3ll will I return. In fact, I was just asked this very question yesterday by someone that would like to hire me. When I said no, I'd never return she asked "Never?". I repeated myself.... "Never. I don't even need to think about it". LOL