With the directive to purge older employees and hire only under qualified URMs, is it still possible to be a decent, respected Intel manager?
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The problem with good managers is that they put their people first and pass up opportunities to take credit. As a result their focal doesn't stand out and wind up getting pushed out via ISP or offered VSP.
@KaeVPRX-1svg I joined Intel thinking it will be an ethical culture, But with time 1 thing I learnt is senior managers passing on talent for someone from their hometown
BK and Sohail role models to respect and admire
To be honest these people couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. If you have only been a manager at Intel, it would be a big mistake for any other company to consider you management material, you people are real life bozos.
The managers at intel only know the x86 way and we know that is broken. Their response drones, bracelets, charging bowls and game shows. How sad how far the leadership has fallen since they days of Grove.
Could you see Grove as the leader of semiconductors richest company wasting his time on these silly things or really getting in their asking hard questions and transforming the company. Instead intel has an idiot at the head and all the way down the chain too!
Summing it up, Intel managers have the least amount of experience and knowledge but the most amount of pure arrogance.
Good point about the outliers @1aad.
Let's be honest of course there will be outliers but isn't it sad at Intel the outliers are the "good" ones.
What does it say about the current senior management team as well as the direction and future of the company!
Sure most aren't working for love but fear of their management, what a terrible place to have to work and spend so much time, frankly people are crazy to tolerate that $hit!
They're out there @1hpa. My last manager treated people with respect (unless he had to put his foot down about something but at least he was fair, they aren't all). Even then it was done with respect but the person getting "the message" never sees it that way. It's always 'whine, whine, b-tch and moan, he's a total d--k!!!", even if it was warranted.
He was recently promoted so don't see him getting kicked to the curb anytime soon, if at all.
But he's the minority. A lot of them are mean, evil, nasty individuals. For whatever reason that sort of personality seems to thrive there.
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Being a "good" manager for your people versus for your boss require diametrically opposite behavior.
I have seen longtime successful managers, their "bosses" view to become so socially clueless and doesn't even know how $hitty he treats his people or how bad a manger he is, but his boss loves him so don't expect him to change, his employment and future require him to continue 😉
Show me manger who acts and cares about his employees at Intel and thats a mananger with out a career or future at Intel.
Know-little, do-little (need their work done for them because using Microsoft Office is so difficult), insecure, worthless people raised to Intel senior management for their brown nosing, people pleasing ability
- have INFERIORITY AND INSECURITY COMPLEX -
are good at belittling experienced, senior new hires coming into Intel.
Even going to extent of accusing the new hires of inflating their resumes because we don't know the INTEL WAY, outside Intel (in the industry) things are worked differently than Intel. I think most certifications and qualifications are publicly verifiable and we have many better employment options than Intel and will be out of Intel at the earliest we can (passing of minimum stay agreement) because each day at Intel is unbearable. Jealousy of long time Intel employees is understandable.
Intel MCM must get rid of senior management at faster rate and start promoting (very experienced, overqualified to be in Intel job) if they wish to retain the good people they have hired.
I have no hope or expectations from my management to improve the all-males-at-top-tier boys-club situation in our IT org, starting with the GM (bringing his own friends for the top jobs, creating teams his own friends can direct). In my org, most women are being kept in support roles of PM, Business Analyst, developers or admins.
Indian Managers want to make their own family and friends Managers so they can together play politics, abuse and exploit the Intel system (unnecessary Intel paid business class flights to visit India).
Take note of so many with same last names. Especially in IT, almost 95% of Indians are southies from the same towns and they prefer their own kind.
When an opportunity comes up, same Indians want to hire their own in India for the job.
How can a primitive Indian URM (female) fresh in USA (can't even drive) without even a Linkedin existence (to prove her factual credentials and experience) get hired into Intel ? Makes me ashamed and disgusted of being in the same category.
No. Most Intel managers are inexperienced phonies that never deserved to have the total of "manager" in the first place. The whole system is just blowing up in their faces.
I was only at Intel for a short time before being ISP'd (ironically I received an SL4 for being "new to Intel" before being shown the door) but my manager constantly undermined my efforts to effectively lead and manage my team (I was a manager as well). So much political subterfuge, playing one person off of another BS, unclear and constantly changing directions and otherwise ineffective management. I was surprised but not unhappy to get the f out of there.
It was truly bizarre and pretty typical of the un-punished shenanigans that make Intel such a toxic employer.
It's definitely a "no good deed goes unpunished" kind of place, whether you're an employee or manager trying to do the right things. I
Sure, there can be some respected managers at Intel. The sad thing is I think some of them want out but feel stuck. I can only speak for my last manager. He, sadly, wasn't eligible for ERP or VSP. I could tell that he wished he was when I told him I was talking the ERP. He said "Take me with you" in that joking way that you know they are actually serious. I know he wishes he could go. He told me how many years he has left before he reaches the Rule of 75 and you could tell he was counting down the days and weeks, just as I was. I feel bad for people like him. He's a great guy. I miss working for him but don't miss Intel one bit. No way would I go back. I told him if he got a job at another company to contact me then. lol
I am Intel manager and would like to leave, but engr managers openings are rare these days, even in Bay Area. So, I am just toughing it out and pretend I am in line with URM hiring, purging directions from above.
No. The intel system will destroy and / all naive managers that start as good. Intel's work environment is toxic and getting worse.
Exactly. Most of the managers are from India. And they will only hire other Indians so that they can use them like indentured slaves. It's sick.
Not a chance in hell. Many of the good ones have already left or were pushed out. I'm pretty sure the remaining good ones are thinking of leaving as focal and more layoffs are looming.