Denying LR's even when they are published under California WARN act - and any other LR happening around the globe? A new low has been reached.
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@5bsq : HR didnt care to do their job, when people were employees ( and HR didnt ensure COBC or ethics), you think they would lift a finger, for an employee who got laid off ??
I think it is your expectation- that is misplaced.
Just be happy that they didnt make you stand on the road ... Cisco has become a joke , it is no longer a company, of its past-glorious days. No one really gives any credibility to its brand.
I find it very sad that Cisco HR isn't even "Cisco". Any HR person you talk to, and many of the recruiters as well, are employees of Xerox contracted to Cisco to provide a service. When I had to send an email to the HR person for an issue I'd opened, I was shocked that I had to use a non-cisco.com email address! Since when is Xerox not a copier company and now a call center/support org for HR-related issues?
And, to top it all off, you'd think by now that Cisco's HR team would have the process very well documented. If you're going to tell the impacted employees on Tue, then the internal website pages with the info they need needs to be ready by Monday to go live Tue morning. The automated phone response system needs to have a special option for all the employees to get directly to someone who's been briefed on the severance package details and can answer questions. IF YOU PUT ON THE WEBSITE THAT THE CAREER TRANSITION TEAM WILL BE IN A SPECIFIC ROOM IN A SPECIFIC BUILDING, MAKE SURE THEY'RE EITHER IN THAT ROOM OR PUT A F___ING SIGN ON THE DOOR SAYING WHERE THEY'VE BEEN MOVED TOO! My God, how hard is it to put them in the right room. Or put a sign up? Or tell the lobby ambassador that they've moved. When I couldn't find them in the room, I went to the lobby ambassador to ask where they were. The ambassador didn't even know they were in the building! How could you have multiple visitors from a company and not know they were there?!? Did you not give them visitor badges that morning! Try calling HR to ask where they are? Forget that, you get a person in a call center from Xerox who has no idea what buildings Cisco even has and can only tell you what's on the web page even though you know it's incorrect because you're CALLING FROM THE PHONE IN THE EMPTY ROOM!
Yeah, I'm still a little upset at how poorly Cisco handled the Aug LR compared to the one in '11 that caught my friends & co-workers. They say "Practice makes Perfect", but leave it to Cisco to f that up. Let's see how Cisco's HR reps spin this one. If they say anything other about the room mixup being false, I have an HR case to prove otherwise. :-)
There were over 75,000 in 2013: http://www.bradreese.com/blog/9-14-2015.htm
@3hds: Lots of headcount coming in through acquisition. Just as much going through LRs and people jumping ship. Also we were way above 71K for a long time. I think your number is wrong. That including contractors?
" If cisco is planning LR every quarter then why Cisco headcount is always stuck around 71k to 72k. In real Cisco is hiring more people with right skill sets and match with their new market vision. It's marching towards innovation and will emerge out of this market transition very strong. I am not HR JFYI"
@3swp: you answered your own Question. If cisco was hiring more people,why is the headcount always stuck at 71k and 72k ? Are human beings vanishing from earth, after joining cisco- in order to keep headcount at 71-72k ?
On a side note, please stay at cisco. We need people like you to march with Cisco to wherever it is going.
@3swp, the banner says to hire talents for the new market. However, the execution does it differently. They let go the skilled and seasoned employees and replace with their friends and relatives mostly from South Asia.
Possibly 2wlg was being sarcastic. Very possibly.
So the trolls (Cisco HR) have been instructed to muddy the waters on here and deny any LR's - even ones that are covered under California WARN act and must be published - call out any negativity as "fake news" or "troll" and try and tell everybody it's all going swimmingly, no LR's, Cisco are succeeding blah, blah, blah!!
Only a complete moron would believe that to be the case but why bother? Why are the upset? People are only chatting about FACTS and what is actually happening. Would these trolls not be better of trying to make things better for us, the normal workers, instead of trying to paint a rosy picture on a rotting canvas!
Thanks for that comment @2wlg. I haven't laughed so hard in years!! Are you on some sort of medication? Maybe you should be?!
"Good people with integrity" - are you having a laugh? "Great strategy that's succeeding" - now I know for sure you are delusional! You should seek some urgent medical advice as it is not healthy to have your head up your a$$ for prolonged periods. You can thank me later.
Why would HR do that? They are good people with integrity. Cisco has nothing to hide. We should be proud of our success in restructuring to match the great strategy that is succeeding so well.
And it appears that HR is starting to try to spin it such that it wasn't older, more expensive subject matter experts that are being let go, but lazy has-beens that can no longer do their jobs.
That, or it's some millennial with nothing better to do than watch the internet and make posts. Or even a millennial that HR hired to watch and post here.
Nobody believes we are talking about 25 people here. 25 is just this months number in SJ that is undeniable since it a falls under the WARN act. What about all the other people Cisco are removing around the world which don't have a legal requirement to publish? 25 is just the bare tip of the iceberg. Everybody knows that. Cisco continuing to sneakily LR pockets of hard working people all over the world to make their numbers look a bit better for Wall Street on Feb 15th is one thing - but to try and deny it is happening, despite proof to the contrary, just points to how far this company has fallen and proves that morality and ethics are alien concepts to them.
25 people is hardly an LR. It's not saving any real cost, just cutting a team not needed anymore. Stop moaning
Tell that to the 25 who lost their jobs. And the 5,500 that lost them in Aug. That big enough for you?
Before I came to Cisco, just after 9/11, I was laid off in a group of 6. You'll probably say that's not an LR and didn't save any money. But the bean counters figured out that if they cut everyone the Monday after Thanksgiving, and offered 2 weeks severance and an additional 2 weeks if you signed the agreement not to sue, your employment would terminate on Dec 28 making you ineligible for your 401(k) match. They paid the match at the end of the year to all employees who were an employee on Dec 31. Then 6 months later, they let 49 people go the same way. Because they had less than 500 total employees, and let go less than 50 employees in a 6-month window, they didn't have to meet the WARN act.
While I'm pissed that Cisco isn't targeting the bottom 5% and is targeting older workers who are "more expensive" than millennials, at least they give a good package. But as said in other replies, the packages are getting smaller and smaller. I would have taken a offer of early retirement, but they haven't done that since 2011 to my knowledge.
You really think they care what is put on here. Only about 250 people use this feed, looking at the viewed stats.
25 people is hardly an LR. It's not saving any real cost, just cutting a team not needed anymore. Stop moaning
This article explains alot!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4039854-cisco-buys-45th-company-5-years-revenues-still-stagnate?app=1&auth_param=1aouj:1c8kne4:a53d9b4dc12bb9488920c7df3c058b1a&uprof=45
I don't think so.
HR has NEVER recruited anyone who champions ethics and morality.
You should reset your expectations from Lawyers and HR.
They are a different breed of living-beings.