Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

A different take on the vacation issue...

When the new policy was announced –

YES, I knew their real motivation was to get the liability off the books….

YES, I knew they just made layoffs cheaper with this move ….

YES, I knew this was NOT some altruistic thing done for our benefit…

But it’s also an opportunity …

I have wanted to travel to see my parents for years - and have my kids see where I grew up – but they live across the country. It would require a two –week window, which I never had.

Now I have that flexibility and I’m going to actually TAKE that two-week vacation this summer …before my kids are grown and gone and scattered to the four winds, and when I’m too old and broken down anyway.

I am NOT concerned about taking less vacation than my peers to earn useless points.

Chances are – we will all be replaced by cheap labor anyway, and what good will those “brownie points“ be then?

Yes – I could have used the “cash hoard” that was my vacation balance as “layoff insurance”, but life is short… and I could use the flexibility for extra family time even more …Life it too short.

I can now take a day here and there to chaperone my kids school field trips or take a day to fish or ski a handful of times…and not worry about draining my vacation balance, or bean counter managers making sure I have recorded every last hour.

In other words – I advise everyone to make lemonade out of this big fat lemon we have been given….If there’s something you’ve wanted to do –take the time and DO IT. Oracle put this in place to cook the books – but it has the side- effect of being potentially beneficial to us.

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@2xco Incorrect. HP/HPE did it. Made us take the weekdays between Christmas and the day or two after New Year's off as vacation - usually amounted to somewhere between 5 and 7 days depending on what days they scheduled the "Holiday Shutdown Period"

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Post ID: @8xml+MD25ZvL

USA are the worst, only 7 or 8 holiday for a year for long time, now I think is 9 or 10 days, but still probably the least holiday in the world and they cutting all benefit, we need to pay for internet even job require to work from home and 24x7 on call.

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Post ID: @3hwe+MD25ZvL

Thankfully I live in Europe. 35 days holiday plus bank holidays. You can do 8 weeks easily. US employment law is Dickensian and managers who don't allow time off are d---s. Looking forward to my 2 weeks shortly and 3 weeks later...hopefully it will be 52 weeks

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Post ID: @2ori+MD25ZvL

they did the same in Canada last year. 3 days of forces vacation end of the year. it's legal but no other large company does it. not sure about flex vacations. that probably would be illegal.

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Post ID: @2xco+MD25ZvL

Because other country have law to protect employee and Oracle cannot force them to take vacation.

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Post ID: @2svm+MD25ZvL

What a horrible place to work, hope folks are looking 😎

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Post ID: @2ogi+MD25ZvL

Does anyone know why the US employees are the only ones who are forced to take 4 days of vacation over Christmas and now will be the only ones who will no longer accrue vacation hours? Why would employees worldwide not be treated the same as US employees?

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Post ID: @2aze+MD25ZvL

I know someone gave more than 6 month notice for two weeks

vacation request and the manager reject that and told that person

one week max.

As a manager I always had the power to say no to such a request (I never did). Just because you have accrued days under the old system doesn't mean you can take them when you want. Always subject to manager approval. I have never had a problem getting my requests rejected and I never requested any. No plans to change that going forward either.

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Post ID: @1ppm+MD25ZvL

It is flex vacation, it is not unlimited, it is not guaranteed and it is NOT a defined benefit. It is totally at your manager's discretion. You have no days to take off if your manager says no.

Maybe you will be lucky and have a good manager, but if not keep drinking that lemonade.

As for using said flex days to find a new job, better save some accrued days in the next 2 months.

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Post ID: @1axc+MD25ZvL

I know someone gave more than 6 month notice for two weeks vacation request and the manager reject that and told that person one week max.

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Post ID: @1cvn+MD25ZvL

@MD25ZvL. Well said! All the best!

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Post ID: @dfb+MD25ZvL

The other way to think of it is unlimited time off to find another job!

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Post ID: @iod+MD25ZvL

Assuming your manager approves it - and the reality is that some managers are good and some are absolute A holes

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Post ID: @gns+MD25ZvL

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