Aside from its poor performance it seems like anyone half decent is looking to leave ASAP or has done so already. When I speak to people in that op, it sounds completely toxic at the moment.
I have to say though I'm pleased that the person responsible for running the op is finally tied to its helm and will be held responsible this time for his failures. Unlike the time he ruined the UK SP business and jumped before it fell apart.
Thanks, made me laugh..
But then again nowadays training is set as a BD target. " Been on a training course this quarter? Great ! Expect a big bonus"
Actually the only thing you don't get a big bonus for is for not being management or sidekick of management .
A snippet from the weekly forecast call... "Hola Guys. Don't let anything you read on thelayoff upset you, you haven't done a days work in your lives and haven't I always protected you. As for the employees - completely expendable, anyone who you suspect is better than you, or has a good plan, or is delivering, should be put on notice. Good team meeting guys. Let's do some account reviews to prove we're busy"
@obgm one thing is for sure, she can "give it" really good ;-). She can put that big mouth to good use from what I hear of her last trip to partner summit. Sealed the deal there on the new role. Knees hurt but was worth it.
@gtkl the best advice is to give as good as you get. She loves that and will respect you forever, or until the next LR, whichever comes first. Happy to help.
Don't you mean handy chatch?
whoever wrote the MEAL comment is a real handy snatch.
Bombastic, bloody fantastic, red sauce is getting a little rancid. I got a meeting with the architecture director next few weeks to review my account t, any advice on how to handle this as fearing for my life after reading messages on this site.
I had to laugh when I saw this comment on the team leader who sleeps as I have seen it many times! RSM who falls asleep in all meetings is from Finance, names rhymes with MEAL! Anyone who has ever sat near him in any meeting would have seen him sleep through it. As useless as they get that one, on so many other levels. Thank goodness I never had to work for him, would run a million miles if I had to be moved to his team. Baffled as to how he still has a leadership job.
Hi Soy Sauce, I am entitled to my opinion, invested too much time in Cisco to see the manners who have got rich on the work of others complaining caz they have to work. I'm sure you're not one of these but if you are remember it's not what Cisco can do for you but ........ (including resigning)
Red sauce are you the wicked witch by any chance? If not bugger off as your opinion not needed.
Don't talk down the SE. Untouchable. So says the new SE director.
One things for sure, I'm sick of picking up the slack for the poor AM hires in to the org. SE becoming AM's and then not performing so the real sales people are put under increased pressure to cover their shortcomings, even though we're performing. This SE love has to stop. Most were bad at that job and now they are just terrible AM's.
If You guys are not happy why not leave, I've never seen any locks on the doors, people tied to desks , or why not make a change and be proactive ( www.dictionary.com) and help Cisco to get back as the reseller/partner of choice . Or scary work on how to improve your environment and do something positive. The real work is tough, get over yourselves
That's a bit spicy @ Red Sauce!!!
Does this mean Cisco people cannot simply sit on their arses every day and take in a massive salary and benefits and they have to work, shock , horror, call an election, join the legion, or wake up, smell the coffe, get ya fingers out and work with your partners to do what you've been pretty good at over the past decade
What other team managers exist in Enterprise who attend customer meetings?
Not surprised RSMs are falling asleep with the brain numbing jobs they have. Filling in spreadsheets and trying to work out why their numbers don't add up, isn't exactly stimulating. But at least they get to sit in a management meeting once a week with Cisco's very own Assad lookalike and his band of nodding dogs.
Which sector rsm is falling asleep at the wheel? Go on spill the news........
Well just when I thought my team manager was bad the other team manager falls asleep in nearly every meeting including those with customers. Enterprise is quality right now!
If I were someone looking to invest with Cisco and read the crap on this site I would take my money elsewhere.
There are a vocal bunch of sad losers working at Cisco.
No management experience or ambition required.
Are you even capable of reading what you write?
Why would I leave? My boss is my mate and regardless of my performance, I'll never get fired. I fact if I agree with everything he says in every meeting, I'll get a directorship pretty soon too.
If I were someone looking to invest with Cisco and read the crap on this site I would take my money elsewhere. If it's not yanks being racist it's the Brits blaming everything on women and nepotism if you hate Cisco so much just f@@k off. But then you probably apply for jobs but don't get any offers.
There are a vocal bunch of sad losers working at Cisco. I suggest you get a life and go anywhere someone will take you. My local shop needs someone to deliver leaflets. No management experience or ambition required. Perfect for most of the posters here.
Nepotism is rife across the entire business. In the UK, enterprise and partner org are definitely the worst culprits of this. It is extremely demotivating when you see people with far below average performance get promoted to OD level, because they have no self dignity and will roll over on command. I guess this is just the reality of corporate politics and working for a company that hasn't refreshed its leadership in decades.
Now we know why those who got to the top positions in the uk got there directorships. Being butt ugly .. no matter... just where the "uniform". Smile at the middle age male perverts and bingo!
Don't bring up women. We are a protected class. Don't hate the people, hate the game. You'd be amazed what a short skirt and plunging neckline can do for your yearly bonus and RSU allotment. All part of the uniform, you keep wearing your hoodies, jeans and sneakers and I'll keep on raking in the dough. #PantsuitPower
Just to balance thing the uk theatre has a set of mafia like women pulling the strings on top of the nepotism and it's ruining a once great business.
Nepotism is not isolated to the UK. Look into Cisco Operations & Cisco IT, the "good ol' boys club" is filled with corruption and incompetence.
The enterprise op is the definition on nepotism and that is the true cancer in Cisco today. Everyone in that op in a senior position is either a friend or obsequious follower of the VP. This is a purposely created structure to ensure everyone in the clique is untouchable. When an RSM who hasn't performed in years gets promoted to director, when your SE Manager is hated by his entire team and can't hold on to talent, when your head of services is a sociopath with a bad track record, you have to ask why this is allowed to continue? To say it's not as bad as the previous leadership is like saying stepping in cat sh1t isn't as bad as dog sh1t. Both stink and so does the leadership of this op.
some poor promotion a focus on young (untested) SE
This should read:
Some poor promotion/recruitment decisions at RSM/OD level; a focus on young (untested) SEs
Brit's are only happy when there's something to moan about.
There are structural problems in UK Enterprise and some poor decisions have been taken under the current regime. However, it's better led now than it was under the previous management.
Some of the key issues have been; too many transactional AMs that have failed to build pipeline(and a couple of even worse RSMs); too many idle threats to those same AMs that were never followed through; some poor promotion a focus on young (untested) SEs that spend more time training than they do in front of customers (although there are a couple of diamonds in there, if they can be retained); a lack of clear career progression for either AMs or SEs (but that's true of UKI in general); SEs that chased the money to be AMs and (being charitable) are still finding their feet in the role; good SEs leaving for better pay/promotion prospects; I could go on.
Some (actually a lot, in my opinion) of the fault is not with Enterprise management, it's with the way that UKI has been run for the last few years especially with certain people more focussed on their 'extra-curricular' roles than that of running UKI.
The problems aren't all internal though, the market has shifted away from Cisco, key accounts stopped spending; the Brexit decision and subsequent impact on the £/$ rate caused a number of deals to be dropped or postponed at the end of the last FY.
Equally, the problems are not unique to U.K. Enterprise, they apply across the Board in UKI and several other EMEAR countries.
But, there's clearly a lot of bitterness and disaffection in the UKI workforce right now and I'm not seeing anyone with the ability, or resources, to fix it.
@bal: Ya nailed it. Now it's just a question of how long the existing $ in Cisco's coffers will last.
I work in enterprise. It's a bad place to be at the moment but no more than any other operation as far as I can tell. Everyone is either actively looking for something else or are hoping for an LR in August. We're losing good SE's and security PSSs for other more interesting companies. I think the problem comes down to the point made below, people do care about their careers and if you do you won't want to stay at Cisco for too long as there is zero career progression opportunity. The only reason you would stay is for the money, but that's not great anymore.
Where to go? I don't know, how about Microsoft, Salesforce, Google, VMWare, AWS heck even Dell looks like a promising prospect. Basically anywhere with a future.
There are (at least?) two futures: the future of the company as an ongoing concern, and the future of your career. I'm not going into the wide variety of tradeoffs, but most of the people I've seen at big companies have focused on the former at the expense of the latter. The fact that the royal "you" are reading this site suggests "you" might be some of those people, and if so another aging behemoth may not be the best next step.
Not sure enterprise is the problem. Those dissing it clearly have an issue. Problem is broader. Problem is stale middle management who have been in same roles for 10+ years as rsm or sem. Those are the blockers to progress.
Clearly this forum is full of people with a grudge. I mean this original post is completely unfounded, isn't it???
Where to go? I don't know, how about Microsoft, Salesforce, Google, VMWare, AWS heck even Dell looks like a promising prospect. Basically anywhere with a future.
Too many bad promotion over the yers to awful people. Look at some of the jokers in management and archtitecht positions!
Then tech team must do everything becaus sales folk are to lazy to do BoM's. Smart SE's leave, others look at pay disparity and become bad account managers. the rest just do the minamum to stay employed.
Any smart/young SE in the UK should look around and ask "Do I have anyne to look up to?". A quid and a pint of your finest ale says they dont no more.
ELT can't shift, adapt or even predict market change. Their strategy seems to be "wait and see what everyone else does and then badly copy it". The only winners are the ELT and execs with their bonuses.
As above people who are moaning are probably the sort that the company can do without. It's not like you're wiping arses or shovelling sh-- and as has been said where would you rather work? HPE ? McDonald's or how about KFC? Yes some stuff is a little broken but that's because the industry has shifted. For good times to happen occasionally there have to not as good times.