Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

If I am a hiring manager and see 10+ years of experience doing the same job and not moved up it's an immediate red flag. Outside of cisco you will be expected to walk the walk so milk it while you can.

While I agree with needing to be able to "walk the walk" as you say, but some people can't lead. And shouldn't lead. So some people top out and end up not going further. Doesn't mean they can't continue to do the work they currently do. Granted, if someone's skills haven't kept up with technology, that's a problem. But if they stay current with the latest technology and trends, why should they promote?

Unfortunately, there are TOO MANY managers at Cisco who can't manage and either remain managers, or even worse, continue to move up the chain.

I know I'm an individual contributor and I can deliver on my tasks. Why should I promote to manager and stop contributing? I've reached my peak as a "lead", and even then, I'm being pushed to do more management work than I care to do.

@4wnd If I am a hiring manager and see 10+ years of experience doing the same job and not moved up it's an immediate red flag. Outside of cisco you will be expected to walk the walk so milk it while you can.

The tenure (10+ years experience) is irrelevant. Salary is based purely on location and comp ratio. If you're currently in the Bay Area and you're saying you've been a grade 10 for 10 years and therefore probably have a high comp ratio - then you're probably around 120-135k + the 15% bonus for grade 10s.

The bonus -- 25% has been handed out. The end of year bonus is not guaranteed.

Ride this horse until the legs buckle and then leave. In the meantime, enjoy the modest pay and benifits befitting of an old school tech company and move on. Make them get rid of us.

After bonus season I'm out.

Admit it - you are all milking it like a dairy farmer wait'n for that fatty pay check.

Become a director, have a few contractors as reports, learn all the buzzwords you can. Enjoy the gravy train.

160 to 180 base is way high for G10. If you are paid that, you are pushing to get LR'd. Once you cross that magic "mid-point", you are in the danger zone unless you get promoted to a higher grade. It's stupid, but that's how it operates.

100,5 - 167,5 - 15% 134 midpoint

160K+ base is a bit high. 160K-180K in total compensation is about right.

160k+ sounds about right from what I hear.

But it depends also when you joined - for two G10 people with the experience of 10 years, one being with Cisco 5 years and the other 1 year, there may be a big difference (how big depends on the manager really);

Heard some making $160-180k base salary

i agree on what marketable skills. What is the pay and bonus range for a grade 10 in sf area?

There are grade 10s with no skills riding the gravy train with 2 or 3 contactors doing the work.

• What marketable skills does the Grade 10 have?

• Have they actually accomplished anything at Cisco?

Listing 10+ years experience means absolutely nothing. The employee might only know how to schedule useless meetings, and put together a PowerPoint every few weeks.