Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Beginning new life after Cisco

Just got back from my first day in a new place, after few years spent at Cisco. Managed to avoid afternoon commute rush hour on the tube.

My last day at Cisco was last week, and now I'm back after my first day in my new place.

It's good moment for reflection - I think.

I was not made redundant - I left on my own, and even the mid-year bonus cut wasn't a big factor in my decision.

I was just fed up with all the BS around, our lying upper management from US, and overwhelming feeling that we're in constant and irreversible decline.

But it wasn't always like this. We were a rather small acquisition which Cisco bought a couple of years ago. After the deal closed for a while we remained quite independent. We kept our office, our culture and most of our people. But it all started to fall apart, when Cisco started pulling us further into the madness. First - we were given a VP who didn't have a clue what are we going, as he was deeply rooted in the old-Cisco world of boxes. Don't get me wrong - boxes are important; Ultimately, they're what runs the Internet. But it's something different to run a business which releases a new batch of refreshed boxes every six months, then constantly evolving cloud based SaaS product. It's different at each level - but our brilliant US management team couldn't figure this out.

So what they did? They threw on us one of their directors, specialized at driving groups to the ground.

The way how they did it - was beyond comprehension, and was really more of the Game-of-thrones style then billion dollars company. That was the inflection point. From this moment, the morale dropped, culture degraded, people started leaving and business results went downhill. Then redundancies came, throwing most of the few remaining folks who knew what they're doing. The heart of the group has been broken at that point. And that's how this story ends. Without talent, without culture and without product, but with a Director happy he "transformed us".

Enough for me. I decided I don't care about the package (which I'm sure I would get the next time redundancies hit, since I was now one of the most senior engineer on deck). It's just not worth it. Staying in the toxic environment, where everyone in our office is afraid of our mighty dir in SJ, where personal development became virtually nonexistent and where general sense of defeat prevailed.

Will I miss anything from Cisco? Of course. I'll miss car-allowance, leaves of absence and few other perks. I'll miss some smart people I met here. But these people are no longer there, and money isn't worth putting up with this anymore. So I had a small farewell lunch with a couple of folks, swiped the badge for the last time, and closed this chapter of my life.

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Maybe they can give me (an LR) in June so I can get the bonus in Sept.

That's funny you think you'll get a bonus. You're manager will set your IPF to 0 and use your bonus portion of his budget to give to the survivors to keep them happy. It's really rare for impacted people to get the year-end bonus.

< I remember years ago, they offered an "early retirement package" if your years of service + age was some number. Maybe they'll do it again.

The number was 55. You had to be at least 50 and your combined age plus years of service had to exceed 55. They'll NEVER give that offer again. Too many people took it they lost money. And they lost people they didn't want to lose. And I've heard a lot came back as contractors after their blackout date expired, but I don't personally know of any.

I do know a manager took a promotion to Director and then jumped on the early retirement offer 2 months later. His BU senior leadership was NOT HAPPY about that. A year's pay & 2 yrs benefits at the director level for 60 days of being a director. Lucky b–tard.

Another manager took the early retirement with less than 18 months with the company. He just happened to be 58 when they hired him. A guy on his team who hired in as a college grad and had never worked anywhere but Cisco was too young for the early retirement but got laid off just after all the early retirees left. He was very upset about giving Cisco 18 yrs and getting half the severance his boss got as someone who'd only given Cisco 18 months and only got the early retirement because he was 60 (age 59 plus 1 yr service).

I would have been eligible for the early retirement when I was LR'd back in the '16 LR, but it wasn't offered.

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Post ID: @elgop+MvjE9uU

In a non-acquisition BU it still defines us to a tee.

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Post ID: @ehild+MvjE9uU

The good news is that I can simply cut and paste this post to explain to my friends what exactly has happened at work. Unbelievable.

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Post ID: @egftt+MvjE9uU

"Without talent, without culture and without product, but with a Director happy he "transformed us"

This should be on a bronze plaque set in concrete at Building 1.

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Post ID: @egebo+MvjE9uU

Amen

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Post ID: @egycu+MvjE9uU

I can't wait for the day when I can take the LR package, I heard it's pretty good (4mo salary + PTO). Maybe they can give me one in June so I can get the bonus in Sept. I remember years ago, they offered an "early retirement package" if your years of service + age was some number. Maybe they'll do it again.

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Post ID: @2jtf+MvjE9uU

It's really ironic that what you describes, could have been written about any Cisco acquisition. In the two years following the NDS purchase, it was exactly the same thing. Cisco had no understanding of a subscription and services model. As box shifters, they liked to emphasize that we were 'high touch' and that was expensive. They then proceeded to dismantle the sales organization and the orders pipeline evaporated. It's been downhill ever since.

For personal and family reasons, I couldn't leave but I really wanted to. In the end, my manager did me a big favor and made the choice for me. Ironically, he thought he could educate Cisco on process management. He was LRed almost a year later.

For me, leaving Cisco has not been easy. On the whole, it's been a big improvement. For a start, at my current job I have better pay and conditions. Also, I don't have any of the Cisco family thing going on. I wish you and anybody affected by the current wave good luck. In my experience, you will be far happier that you left.

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Post ID: @jqh+MvjE9uU

awesome, congrats on the new chapter, and hope it brings more prosperity to you. I am from SJ, and have worked with truly talented and exemplary folks from UK. If UK folks are being LR'd, I dont know who might have been found better than them, by current managers.

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