Maybe we should all say screw it and join the union, that would piss off the powers that be!
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From the AT&T boards "We aren't going to call a strike. The CWA keeps referencing Verizon's strike. Verizon's strike was not wireless employees. Installers have much better leverage since if services go out, Verizon loses money if it can't be quickly repaired. If our stores go on strike, the revenue from monthly service continue to roll in, customers can buy phones online / at national and authorized retail. The company honestly doesn't suffer much of a loss, especially since they can replace us higher paid employees that are on strike pretty quickly. (AR has their RSCs on the floor within about a week of being hired)
Verizon wireless employees voted against the union. Their wireless employees are paid more than ours WITHOUT the CWA. The CWA only cares about their own agenda. Their only method of attempting to get things accomplished is bullying and intimidation, which isn't working this time and they are grasping for straws. Our managers aren't at all phased by what we are doing because they want to fire the majority of us anyway.
The entire fiasco is entertaining to watch though!"
It's never too late to organize!
The company hires people not the union. Whoever is employed by Verizon was chosen and hired by Verizon. There is a one year probationary period before employees are made permanent by Verizon. It is the union's job to represent all dues paying members.
"Performance redistribution?"
Save your corporate psychobabble for the conference call. In the real world your words mean nothing.
Complete garbage from a hateful little loser.
If your thesis were true then non-union cable companies should have the best techs and be providing exceptional service. In reality these non-union companies often have an even worse reputation than Verizon.
I know it's amazing that any company could have a worse reputation than Verizon, but somehow these guys do it. American ISPs in general have a terrible reputation...America that once had the best telco in the world and did it WITH unions.
Try out that "metric" in your next meaningless conference call..I hope they outsource your job.
Unions reward the lazy through performance redistribution, set to the lowest performance metric
1kgb
What are you even talking about? dirty sweatpants? I don't think I have ever seen anyone at work union or non-union wearing dirty sweatpants haha.
You don't want to join a union, you know what that's fine don't join one but stop judging a whole group of people just because they have union protection at their job. It's just a work protection, a contract negotiated by a representative so you don't get shafted, it does not define you as a person. You are still free to be the person you decide to be.
Ever read all the managers posting on VZ web after Lowell makes a speech? Competing to see who can brown-nose the hardest, do these guys really look like self-actualized Ayn Rand heroes to you? Hardly.
As for what people regret in life
One of the biggest regrets of dying people:
“I WISH I DIDN’T WORK SO HARD.”
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying
"This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret, but as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence."
So that is what most men regret according to a nurse to the dying. I guess when your ticket is coming up you can be happy you never wore dirty sweatpants. LOL
Do less, do less.. call in sick and stay out for 3 months, do less don't listen. Wear old dirty sweat pants to work..great example for your kids eh? Do as little as you can and see what life gives you. As you get older and ask yourself did I do what I always wanted to do what will your response be?
May be you are not as good as you think you are, if you are a smart person you must acknowledge that possibility, don't you?
@1kro, 1udr
I have worked Union and non-union, Union has always been better imo. But if you find it "intellectually rewarding" getting booted in the butt every day then good for you!
I mean really "intellectually rewarding" working for Verizon? I feel sorry for you. Go read a book or something. There is nothing intellectually rewarding in being a robot.
I am a human being not a human doing. The best parts of my life are not spent at work.
Glad your mom told you "you are the master of your destiny" My mom told me "self praise stinks".
You two should get over yourselves. Who are you trying to convince anyway?
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1udr drank the cool-aid
The only objection to a union you can post is the pre-2003 layoff clause not applying to new hires and you post that in every thread over and over.
Yes that was a bad deal for the union, but maybe the best they could get in negotiations at that time.
Yet post 2003 union hires still have better protections than non-union as any jackass can see.
Nobody can win all the time. The union lost on that one, but how many times have VZ upper mgmnt lost now?
They lost the strike because they were too dumb to see it was bad to put workers on street in election year.
Go90 one of the biggest losers in history which they are still throwing money at.
iphones
Vodaphone buyout.
Cloud.
And what will be next? Hum?
Meanwhile they crap on their employees and worse still they crap on the customer.
Mistreating and ripping off the customers during a price war? More brilliant strategy!
CWA may not be perfect but I am glad they have my back versus Marie Antoinette Mcadam.
I encourage wireless workers to join us.
Well said to those living in a bubble, strong dissent to Union based structure, previous post it is right on target, these people have more intellectually rewarding careers.
In almost any job, I had the learning curve is very steep early on. And then it goes flat. So by the end of two years at the same job, you often have little left to learn. Which makes me wonder what people are doing to keep their brains alive if they stay at the same job for 20 years. It also makes me certain that job hoppers know more, while in a union you are just looking for a place to be, relying on others to decide for you.
If you change jobs often, then you're always challenged with a lot to learn, your learning curve stays high. This is true specially to industries specific to technology knowledge. It also applies to your emotional intelligence. The more you have to navigate corporate hierarchies and deal with office dramas, the more you learn about people and the better you will become at making people comfortable at work. And that's a great skill to have.
My mom always told me "you are the master of your destiny", since those days I do change jobs every 2-3 years, I do go wherever I want to go, I never get comfortable on the job, my tip to you , if you feel like an irrelevant technologists, challenge yourselves and find the job, where you are wanted and needed, value yourselves and don't look back !
Yeah the OP works for the CWA. Shut up with your bs already.
Members of the CWA and IBEW that were hired by Verizon or its predecessor companies prior to the 2003 contracts were unable to be laid off. Anyone hired after the 2003 contracts were ratified (regardless of if you're CWA/IBEW or not in a union) can be laid off. No waiting around for an EISP to be offered to you to leave if you want to.
Too late for wireless ,you should have join the union 20 years ago when they came to yoh,but you stuck your noses in the air and thought you were better than the union members and you guys were looking down at the union members,now its too late ,its over just move on,too many years too late
What does pre 2003 protection mean???
Not having a Union for wireless workers has resulted in mass layoffs and constant changing of job description and a constant changing of com plan resulting in less pay for workers. Wireless workers are already getting hosed left and right so I wouldn't say a Union is pointless if you can't get 2003 protections
Will pre-2003 job protections be given to post-2003ers and wireless workers? If the answer is no, a union is pointless to join.
Sadly most wireless workers rather have no control of their job and rather be treated as a disposable number before they ever consider unionizing. Whether it's ignorance, stupidity or blind loyalty wireless workers are a stubborn bunch.
Going from one sh-- hole to another, you are not very smart after all