Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

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Feeling The Bern of Reality -- The Facts About Verizon and The 'Moral Economy'

Apr 13, 2016 114,602 views 1,701 Likes 451 CommentsShare on LinkedInShare on FacebookShare on Twitter

I read with interest Jeff Immelt’s spirited response to Sen. Bernie Sanders putting GE on his hit-list of big corporations that are “destroying the moral fabric” of America.

In fact, I share his frustration. Verizon is in Sanders’s bull’s-eye, as well. The senator’s uninformed views are, in a word, contemptible. Here’s why.

His first accusation – that Verizon doesn’t pay its fair share of taxes – is just plain wrong. As our financial statements clearly show, we’ve paid more than $15.6 billion in taxes over the last two years – that’s a 35% tax rate in 2015, for anyone who’s counting. We’ve laid out the facts repeatedly and did so again yesterday (see “Sen. Sanders needs to get his facts straight” at Verizon.com/about/news). The senator has started to fudge his language – talking of taxes not paid in some unspecified “given year” – but that doesn’t make his contention any less false.

Sen. Sanders also claims that Verizon doesn’t use its profits to benefit America. Again, a look at the facts says otherwise. In the last two years, Verizon has invested some $35 billion in infrastructure -- virtually all of it in the U.S. -- and paid out more than $16 billion in dividends to the millions of average Americans who invest in our stock. In Sanders’s home state of Vermont alone, Verizon has invested more than $16 million in plant and equipment and pays close to $42 million a year to vendors and suppliers, many of them small and medium-sized businesses. Just yesterday, we announced a $300 million investment to bring fiber to the city of Boston, which will make it one of the most technologically advanced cities in the nation and expand broadband access for its residents. Boston’s Mayor Walsh is partnering with us on this initiative, calling it crucial for providing the foundation for future technology growth. We’re making significant investments in New York City, Philadelphia and other metro areas throughout our wireline footprint.

Verizon is one of the top 3 capital investors in all corporate America. Our investment has built wireless and fiber networks that deliver high-quality services, create high-tech jobs and form the infrastructure for the innovation economy of the 21st century.

I challenge Sen. Sanders to show me a company that’s done more to invest in America than Verizon.

Sen. Sanders has also involved himself in our on-going negotiations with the labor unions representing some 36,000 communications workers in our wireline business, a bargaining process that has been going on since last June. At a labor convention in Philadelphia last week, Sanders claimed that Verizon is demanding that workers take pay cuts and reduce health benefits or see their jobs shipped overseas.

Again, Sen. Sanders is wrong on the facts. More egregiously, he oversimplifies the complex forces operating in today’s technologically advanced and hyper-competitive economy.

Our objective in these negotiations is to preserve good jobs with competitive wages and excellent benefits while addressing the needs of our ever-changing business. All of our contract proposals currently on the table include wage increases, generous 401(k) matches and continued pension benefits. Contrary to Sen. Sanders’s contention, our proposals do not call for mass layoffs or shipping jobs overseas. Rather, we’ve asked for more flexibility in routing calls and consolidating some of our call centers, some of which employ a handful of people. We would continue to provide health insurance for active and retired associates and their dependents, but we have proposed some common-sense reforms to rein in the cost of these plans, which in 2015 ran to $1.4 billion a year for these represented employees, retirees and dependents. In fact, our healthcare plans – which provide access to medical, prescription drug, dental and vision coverage – are robust enough to make us subject to the “Cadillac tax” on excessive plans as defined in the Affordable Healthcare Act … the very law Sen. Sanders supported and voted for.

(If you want to read more details about our comprehensive proposal, go to Verizon.com/laborfacts.)

“Feeling the Bern” of reality yet, Bernie?

Have the facts of life changed for Verizon’s unionized employees over the last 15 years? Of course. The wireline business in which these employees work is not the telephone company of old. Competition and technology change have eaten into our traditional phone business, with more and more Americans giving up their landline phones altogether. As a result, wireline now accounts for less than 30 percent of Verizon’s total operating revenues, down from 60 percent in 2000, and less than 7 percent of our operating income. To remain competitive, we’ve transformed our wireline operations into a broadband company by building fiber-optic networks, offering Internet and video services, and investing in employees’ skills and work tools to help them make the turn to a 21st-century digital economy. And while the wireline labor force has gotten smaller as the business has shrunk, we’ve continued to provide good jobs, good wages and great benefits for thousands of workers.

It’s those workers whose future we seek to safeguard through these negotiations.

Sen. Sanders speaks of a “moral economy” for America – one that respects and maintains the dignity inherent in good, middle-class jobs. He seems to think that can only happen by ignoring the transformational forces reshaping the communications industry. But nostalgia for the rotary phone era won’t save American jobs, any more than ignoring the global forces reshaping the auto industry saved the Detroit auto makers.

We’re determined not to find ourselves in that same boat.

Today – as we have over our long history – Verizon provides good jobs for tens of thousands of Americans. We’re generating the profitable growth that allows us to invest in America and innovate for the future. More than that, we offer our employees the chance to contribute something vitally important to customers, businesses and the society as a whole by building the country’s best networks and delivering great communications services.

But in return, we’re asking our represented employees to look at the facts and engage in an honest conversation about what needs to be done to ensure these opportunities will be around for future generations. We need our employees to partner with us in creating a sustainable, competitive and, yes, profitable company.

To me, that’s just the moral thing to do.

I understand that rhetoric gets heated in a Presidential campaign. I also get that big companies are an easy target for candidates looking for convenient villains for the economic distress felt by many of our citizens. But when rhetoric becomes disconnected from reality, we’ve crossed a dangerous line. We deserve better from people aspiring to be President. At the very least, we should demand that candidates base their arguments on the facts … even when they don’t fit their campaign narratives.

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What does this have to do with bundling HUMS with every customer?

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Bernie Sanders is a moron and a reflection of a failed political ideology. Socialism has tried over and over to succeed but it has been an utter failure. The reason companies have such a hard time is because in a country that is supposed to be for free market the successful are envied and punished with taxes with ridiculous slogans such as they can afford it. People like Sanders feed on the envious nature of Underachievers and use that for political gain. Liberals in general sectorize people by ethnicity religion or something else to create division again for their sick political gain. These are bolshevik type tactics used in pre USSR. what company in their right mind would want to operate here? high taxes out the rear. What Trump is proposing would generate room for growth for middle class, yea it would also benefit the successful too. Any business would have a 15% rate. What drives far leftists is hunger for governmental power and bureaucracy and they even use gov for political gain (ie Susan Rice>Obama). People like Sanders and Warren are bad for free market enterprise and private property. If most people understood truly the results of people like them on an economy they wouldn't last. To hell with Bernie.

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Not sure where this has any relevance to the current situation. Corporate and Union trolls need to stick to appropriate venues when airing their jaded opinions. This board is to learn insight on potential layoffs and help their co-workers make potentially family altering decisions.

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Post ID: @1lis+N4yU12r

LMAO....

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And for a dissenting viewpoint here are some choice replies....ah memories!

"With all due respect, Mr. McAdam - nearly 40,000 of your workers are currently on strike...the largest strike in the U.S. since 2011 when 45,000 of your workers also spoke out against unfair wages and cuts to their benefits. Twenty U.S. senators sent you a signed letter asking you to try and negotiate with the union and hear out the concerns of these people who are protesting cuts to their pensions and outsourcing of their jobs...twenty. And instead of responding with courage or speaking to these people's or senators concerns, you instead choose to hide behind your keyboard and write up a lengthy essay on LinkedIn retaliating against a presidential candidate (who has the full support of your own 40,000 workers on strike, I should add), knowing full well that you would end up receiving props from your executives who currently work there and would like to keep their jobs and (likely) very comfortable lifestyle? Not only that, you are also denying that any of their claims or concerns (Sanders or the people) are actually true. It looks like an awful lot of people must be wrong then if 1 CEO is right, huh? It is indeed very telling and speaks volumes when you look at the titles of the employees who are defending your response to Sanders. What you're effectively saying is that a guy worth a few hundred grand who is out there fighting for the rights and joining the picketing lines, standing with the very people who made you and your company successful, is more contemptible than the guy trying trying to hold on to his annual raise on top of the already roughly $15-20 million annual paycheck, all while leading a company that is famous for evading corporate taxes, stashing billions in offshore tax havens, and now wants to go after employee benefits and compensation. What is missing in your essay here is that although you complain about $1.4 billion in health care costs, Verizon's revenue has spiked from $120.6 billion to $131.6 billion since 2013. Operating cash flow in 2015 was $38.9 billion. You can afford it...you just don't WANT to. What is true is that Verizon made $19.3 billion in U.S. pretax profits from 2008 to 2012, yet didn't pay any federal taxes. Instead, it got $535 million in tax rebates. What is true is that you are cutting costs at the expense of your workforce to increase shareholder return on investment and pocketing millions for yourself in the process, which is 200x greater than your average worker's comp. Truth is how Verizon has outsourced 5,000 jobs to Mexico, the Philippines and the Dominican Republic. Truth is your CEO compensation rising by 16%, topping out at 18.3 million. Here is some more truth: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kus ... 67024.html http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/bus ... s/2480281/ That is just 2...there are plenty more out there and can be found in droves. As for myself, along with a good portion of the American people, we'll take the word of nearly 40k people over 1 CEO any day of the week. Something that you'll never understand in your elite corporate bubble, is that there is a good reason why Mr. Sanders has the passionate support of millions of Americans and is only gaining in popularity. It's because he is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. You, Mr. CEO, are not. This time the people are standing up to corporate greed and demanding change. Bernie is not playing safe waiting to be POTUS to boldly stand up to the CEOs of the corrupt corporate world. He's doing it now. Thank you for your attack on Senator Sanders, proving once again that he is right, and has always been on the right side of history. I'm sure that he welcomes your claim that he is contemptible. "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me...and I welcome their hatred." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt"

" Thank you for completely leaving out the fact that from 2008 to 2013, your company made $42.4 billion in U.S. profits and received a total tax refund of $732 million from the IRS. In other words, your corporate income tax rate over this six-year period was -2 percent. But, oh what does THAT matter, when you paid all your taxes for the last TWO years? Who cares about the SIX years before that? Who cares about you stashing $1.8 billion in offshore tax havens in 2012? Who cares that many of your workers TODAY are striking and asking for better job benefits, NOT higher executive payouts? Your Verizon post also NEVER mentions anything about 2008-2013. VERY interesting.... The best part of that post is the last remark about lowering tax rates. A corporation that only exists to make profit arguing for lower tax rates for themselves? I never heard that one before!!!!"

"Oh and one more thing for you to consider: "After decades of demanding and getting rate hikes and tax breaks in return for promising to deliver broadband internet access to schools, libraries, hospitals and every home and business in their territories, Verizon is now making it clear that it is no longer expanding FiOS, its fiber optic cable service. So what did they accomplish? What did they build? And how much did it cost? Verizon claims that the company spent $23 billion dollars in rolling out FiOS since 2004. (See, for instance, this message from Tim McCallion, President of Verizon’s West Region.) That’s a lot of money. But as I stare at a decade’s worth of Verizon annual reports, I notice something odd. Where, exactly, is that $23 billion? Specifically, where are the construction budgets to support this claim?" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kus ... 29287.html)"

"It's unfair to characterize necessary technology upgrades to your own products and services as "investments in American infrastructure." And claiming that it's "average Americans" who benefit from dividends paid is woefully out of touch with the realities of what it is to be an average working American -- most of whom own no stock directly, and many of whom don't even have savings or retirement plans like 401ks that could be considered indirect ownership -- but maybe being this out of touch is why 40,000 of your average American employees are striking in NYC right now. Corporations want the freedom to serve the bottom line above all else, but they also want protection and compassion from the people because of "job creator" status. You can't have it both ways. Pick one."

"Good Afternoon, Mr. McAdam, As a former Verizon consumer, whom left your company due to shady practices that were neither fair to consumers nor openly communicated, I would like to add to your 'factual statements.' Information is power, and consumers have a right to know the truth about a company openly claiming to be a victim of its workforce, and according to a CEO that recently enjoyed a 16% pay increase to $18,300,000 while the average family scrapes by on $50,000, Sen. Bernie Sanders as well. 1. Verizon has not paid the appropriate percentage in federal taxes that it should, and it is false to make any alternative claims that it has. "Verizon’s effective federal income tax rate was negative 2.8 percent from 2008 to 2012." http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/29/10-com ... ate-taxes/ Perhaps this percentage has increased in the last 3 years, although you would need to provide some evidence, as I find that hard to believe. 2. Verizon is against net neutrality, and has actually sued to restrict access to open internet services in times that Internet is becoming ever more a need versus a want. http://www.freepress.net/blog/2014/01/1 ... se-decoded 3. Verizon is becoming a modern-day monopoly, which is the direct opposite of a free market or Capitalist society. This form of control creates a power vacuum that steps on rather than fosters competition. "Verizon and AT however, the three reasons listed above prove otherwise. Your actions show that as a company Verizon A). doesn't feel that paying actual Federal taxes is a moral responsibility for a corporation that benefits from the social network of public schools, roads, courts, etc., B.) doesn't believe that Americans should have the right to access open Internet services and connections, and C.) doesn't believe in actual competition being a driving force in American society and industry. Best of luck to the Verizon workers striking, as well as Sen. Bernie Sanders. "

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