Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Women?

Oracle has not had a good record with supporting women employees. I believe there is a lawsuit against them from the labor department, since they do not hire women.

I also read a 2003 lawsuit filed by a woman for s-xual harassment. She was sabotaged by being excluded from meetings and information that the other people in her group had access to. Then, she was s-xually attacked by an Oracle manager, Indian.

I am female and worked for 2 oracle managers who systematically excluded me from meetings and information. Both of them Indian. There were no women managers in the area I was in.

I pulled 2 posts from another thread to put here, one woman recently laid off. I am wondering how the layoff is affecting women at Oracle. Perhaps women might share their stories here.

Post 1:

"This post is really helping me a lot, knowing that what I'm feeling is shared by others who went through the same thing. My boss called me mid-May to say I was gone as of June 1. Instead of feeling upset (other than the fact that I didn't deserve to be let go), I felt relief.

I'm a middle-aged female who sold Enterprise Core Tech. In 5 years, I've had 8 managers and only 2 other women on my team, neither of whom stayed for even a year. Core tech sales is the opitomy of an old boys club. I don't know what I would've done if not for my SCs (all male) who were my lights during some very dark days. I've been propositioned, harassed and lied to by my managers, left out of meetings and continuously given the worst accounts in the area to match some of the highest quotas in the group.

Think about that. People like to say you sck if you don't make quota, but no one ever discusses that all quotas are not created equal. Managers are given a number to meet that they divide between their reps. So, give an extra $M to your 'boys' which might cause them to leave or give it to the 'girl' with the sold out territory? Why make 5 reps unhappy when you can just scrw one rep? Besides, she's a girl. She's expected to fail. No one will question when she can't live up to the job.

So why didn't I just leave? Because O was my first Fortune 100 tech job and in sales, you'll never get another job until you can talk about exceeding quota. So I had to stay until I did that. Which I did. But then the next problem occurred; I actually cared about my accounts. I've had accounts who joked about making voodoo dolls of my predecessor so they could stick him with pins, or previous reps who had verbally abused them or were caught in lies. These accounts deserved better from O. And from the calls I've gotten, sometimes years later, from old customers asking how to get me back, I know I've done well by them.

So what did my management do to reward the positive impact I'd had in my accounts? I actually had a manager who decided he wanted to tell an account that my job was on the line if they didn't spend $Ms on a new contract. He said "they really like you a lot and I bet they'd sign rather than cause you to be fired."

So was I let go for underperforming? Yes and no. Yes, because I didn't make quota. A quota that was 2x what my (brand new to me) accounts had bought for the previous 5 years COMBINED. Only one account had a Cloud agenda, for which they hired a new C-level exec from a Cloud competitor. My Cloud deal came from the only account I brought with me as part of an on-Prem SW renewal. Prior to my last day in the group, I was the ONLY rep who had closed a Cloud deal, along with business in 3 of the last 4 quarters. I had more revenue than any other rep in my group and a sizable PaaS deal for a new logo. Yet I was the one released.

I'm not worried about getting another job. Early in May I talked with a MS manager about Cloud technology (the job I want most) and he would like to hire me, once he understands what their new fiscal year will bring. But I just haven't been able to muster up the energy to start applying to other jobs. I have lots of friends in other companies waiting for my resume so they can help me get a job, but I'm just too worn out right now. I'm not depressed, just very, very tired. And very cynical that every place will just be like O."

Post 2:

"I am a female engineer. I was in the fusion middleware area, I no longer work at Oracle.

I was sabotaged by my manager, excluded from meetings, told to do things that would waste my time, given ridiculous requirements and then laughed at behind my back by the "guys".

There is not a woman in sight in this area of Oracle, consequently it is intensely corrupt. They will do anything to make sure to keep that woman in her place. They NEED to make sure that all women look incompetent. Such intensely fragile egos.

Some of the guys, I think, would be OK, if they were in another company, but the lead guys have serious problems and even the reasonably decent men say nothing. They just go along, so they won't be attacked by anyone themselves.

I have an IQ of 140, at my previous company I received an excellence award. At Oracle I was given really difficult tasks, things that my manager thought were impossible, but I took them as challenges and I did them, one after the other. After a few years though, when you are excluded from all information it becomes more and more difficult to function.

There was another woman that passed by briefly. I saw a demo from her.... the manager, who was also my manager was talking to her in baby talk during the demo she was doing..... "Oh, isn't that nice."

Never saw her again.

There are good companies out there. I have had better success at smaller companies or those that really rate employees on performance. At Oracle, I did not receive any reviews the last 3 years I was there.... same manager that did the baby talk.

Very sick and twisted people in this organization."

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Post ID: @OP+NI6319k

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And who's on charge of legal and HR? SC, a woman! Complicit!

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Post ID: @8fie+NI6319k

I am a woman in BI team and have seen women being slowly pushed out and discriminated against. Very misogynist leadership

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Post ID: @7gzu+NI6319k

go work for uber.

I heard they are better now.

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Post ID: @5xrh+NI6319k

I was a master-degreed scientist/engineer, 30 years into my career. Not only was I treated the absolutely worst by Oracle (somehow "downgraded" in level when Oracle bought Sun, yet male colleagues who were downgraded soon got their "upgrade" back to their Sun level - HR just danced around this inconvenient truth), but I ended my career (lay-off by Oracle) with the absolute worst ratio of women to men in my entire career! That means that in 1985, the number of women who were colleagues and managers in my field of expertise were greater in relative and absolute numbers, than in 2017. Great progress! My broad and deep experience across the electronics industry meant nothing - yet men with similar broad-based experiences can climb to EVP! I myself ended my career 2 levels lower than with a large, well-advanced company 20 years earlier - yes, 20 additional years of experience put me backward, not upward, in the tech world. No wonder women in tech leave -

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Post ID: @4kxe+NI6319k

As long as the VP met his quota, the 3 Stooges could care less. Welcome to Larry's kindgdom!

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Post ID: @2pdt+NI6319k

We had a female admin who was repeatedly groped (hand up skirt) by a VP of Support at an off-site end of year event. This happened in plain view of almost everyone there, including at least one person from HR. She immediately complained to HR. HR responded by having her director sit her down and try for days to convince her to drop the issue. She persisted, and the VP was eventualy given a slap on the wrist. The victim soon left the company. The perpetrator has since been promoted to Group VP.

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Post ID: @2oko+NI6319k

oracle hr and legal doesn't reply to this forum on the weekends.

why don't you go to the AG if you have a case? good luck

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Post ID: @1ydf+NI6319k

@1piv - you sound like oracle HR/ legal working hard to reduce the likelihood that somebody will file a complaint with a state AG's office or that like. A little obvious!

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Post ID: @1qbh+NI6319k

If O. does nothing meaningful, and if enough people follow though with leaving paper trails, then that establishes a pattern doesn't it? Regulators only act if there's enough meat for juicy headlines or if they are up for re-election, etc. Don't be naive that they will do something for you if you just ring them up out of the blue. It doesn't work that way.

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Post ID: @1piv+NI6319k

There is doing something real to address these issues and then there is pretending to do something to satisfy the minimum legal requirements so than nobody can prove that oracle latently ignored the complaint. Oracle is s-xism exemplified because HR and legal protect abusers to protect the company. So yeah, they'll do something except it won't matter and the abuseds never get fired.

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Post ID: @1sij+NI6319k

Oracl 'a written policies mean nothing and are not enforced. Oracle HR and legal work for the company to protect it. They are enablers of bad behavior. That is what makes oracle so rotten to the core

If you file a HS complaint and they disregard it, it's more than internal policies that they are breaking. Think Federal and possible state statues, i.e. big fines and $$$. Also, filing a complaint leaves paper trails. During litigation or regulatory investigations, these materials can be subpoenaed. Again, a cover up will be a disaster and mean a lot of $$$. Oracle is so legal heavy that they will not sweep this under the rug.

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Post ID: @1zjg+NI6319k

The OP is a moron.

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Post ID: @1kbt+NI6319k

Thanks for the feedback. At this point, I would just like to move on and put Oracle behind me.

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Post ID: @gnt+NI6319k

Oracle will not change from inside, the state Attorney General route described below is the only way to go

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Post ID: @avc+NI6319k

Oracl 'a written policies mean nothing and are not enforced. Oracle HR and legal work for the company to protect it. They are enablers of bad behavior. That is what makes oracle so rotten to the core

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Post ID: @mmh+NI6319k

Go to the Attorney General in your state with your documentation...

Great idea.

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Post ID: @kmr+NI6319k

Swati, if you fear of speaking up, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Oracle has laid out clear policies on SH and retaliation. You are asked to take and retake these policy courses on a regular basis. If you follow through with the procedures laid out in these policies and file complaints and back them up with your proof and they retaliate against you, then you have a major lawsuit in your favor.

If you learn to be helpless, then you are just that. Plus you are also letting the perpetrators go on doing what they do.

Stand up for yourself or don't whine about it.

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Post ID: @out+NI6319k

Go to the Attorney General in your state with your documentation, preferably with your attorney, and ask them to start an investigation. Since the state AGs work together it could quickly result in a multi-state investigation of oracle's practices and will not cost you personally a fortune. Best of luck!

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Post ID: @rnk+NI6319k

Thank you to all the woman posting here and I'm glad to hear I'm not alone. That said, I was also impacted by the layoffs. I've been wanting to say something for months about VP's and middle management s-xually harassing me. Additionally, not only was I badly s-xually harassed by my upper management but they left me out of key meetings, no transparency into my role and screwed me out of my big commission that I worked so hard for.

I'd love to go to HR and tell them about these terrible experiences as I documented everything for proof in case this day would come but I've learned they are just as corrupt and won't do anything. All they will do is call the manager and tell them what you said as a common curiously. Oracle deserves a huge lawsuit!

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Post ID: @uhw+NI6319k

Also women are still a small part of the overall tech ecosystem, but I do start to see more of them coming on board in the last few years.

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Post ID: @gsg+NI6319k

Don't we have a woman sitting at the helm?

I see women being hired in my division, lots of them.

they don't stay too long because they find better jobs elsewhere on a yr or 2.

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Post ID: @wdg+NI6319k

Some of these managers change the truth by saying false statements. So sad.

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Post ID: @ymo+NI6319k

Two women in my team were let go both in mid to late 40s. Honestly they were both good instead they kept middle manager who we don't honestly know what he does and another guy who forever works remote. i know they would like to take some action but at this point hard to prove why they were chosen and they just want to get their severance and move to better jobs instead of been embroiled in lawsuit.

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Post ID: @dhs+NI6319k

And then there is LE who likes to hire his assistants when they're young and beautiful and lets them go as they become less estheticly pleasing to his eyes

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Post ID: @jbm+NI6319k

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