Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

When all the Solaris guys got axed earlier this year, we fought hard to try and get a few of them to fill our open reqs. But in the end, we are only allowed to hire in India, no exceptions.

very capable employees were not given the opportunity to be re-purposed into other job openings?

The job openings might be to satisfy the Labor Department requirement to sponsor Green Cards for existing H1B Visa holders. Companies that file for Green Cards (Permanent Residency) have to "prove that" no other qualified American was found for the job. So the job openings may not be "real openings" but just "fake jobs". i.e. the position was already hired a few years ago, and they are just posting a job advt to satisfy Labor Department requirements.

Interesting, how quickly a herd typically returns to grazing after a hungry predator takes one of them down? Employees subject to ‘workforce reduction’ seem to behave similarly. Seems natural, business as usual these days. So why would anyone, especially older workers be surprised? Anyone who can afford to retire rather than struggle to find lateral reemployment is blessed indeed. More interesting is how many obfuscatory schemes employers have come with to avoid one of the Trumpet’s former favorite words: FIRED!

Oracle will keep you on if you're older but only if your salary is close to what a college hire would be paid. They want cheap. Once those college kids gain experience, they won't see a pay increase which is why turnover is high.

Offshoring, Outsourcing, H1B, and college hires isn't how they will cut costs.

Yes, of course oracle will tell you that internal transfers, even after you have been notified, is possible. Anything else would be illegal unless you are being fired as opposed of RIFed. That said, the likelihood of it happening is extremely small, becaus oracle is laying people off to reduce headcount. And because in many cases it is laying off people who are expensive and/or older - yes that is age discrimination, but proving it takes $!. So, even if you were to find a suitable internal job, there will be lots of activity behind the scenes from HR that will significantly reduce the likelihood of you getting that job. So, do 't hold your breath, you may end up expiring in addition to being laid off.

Can some one presents reasons why internal transfer is not possible? It's certainly advertised as a possibility in internal baskets of jobs.

Oracle wants to get people OUT - don't waste your time trying to find another job at oracle - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Get out!

Why be a sitting duck. Get out or wait for the severance.

I was only there for 10 yrs, part of the Sun Microsystems acquisition. Best thing for me, my family and my career was getting RIF'd. Once I was outside looking in I realized how bad the place had slowly become. Fortunately, I landed two decent offers in less than 6 weeks. This tragic event morphed into a sabbatical.

Excelent post, @yhd. Thought it deserves it's own thread, so I reposted it.

I have not known anyone RIFed over the past year who got another job at Oracle before leaving. You should be looking on the outside.

The top reasons good people get laid off from the Gaping Red Orifice:

1. you make too much money, i.e. your salary stuck out in some spreadsheet or analysis.

2. you cost them too much money in some way. Medical? Disability? FMLA?

3. pure and simple age-ism

4. even if you don't make a lot, it is still cheaper to hire young dumb people and people overseas.

5. you failed to keep your metrics within the green areas on all those idiotic dashboards they love

6. you were part of an acquisition and your team is being integrated with others or dismantled

7. they decided that the remote offices they setup in Europe, China, ME or S. America or whereever weren't working out/they found a cheaper place, so they canned you and your team.

My first question after I got the news was: Am I eligible for re-hire? That is important in case 1.) you end up in a company that gets purchased by Oracle 2.) you intend to list your Oracle job on your resume (companies do pretty deep background checks these days) and you don't want any indications you were at fault in any way.

Of COURSE it would be better to re-purpose people who already know how to get around in the Oracle culture and deal with all the tools (still using Beehive? what a pile of dung!). That is what companies did before corporate culture became all about the next quarter's results and CEO mega-bonuses. Ask anyone who was at IBM when they prided themselves on never having a layoff. That was over 30 years ago, and this is the new normal.

The good news is that, if you are in the US, the job market is picking up, and so are salaries.

Exactly because most are now underpaid right where they want you vs hiring more expensive people - who btw come in hair-a-blazing to fix everything wrong only to find out they can't do sh-- about fixing anything and either fall in line or end up leaving. With the right leadership this could be a cool place to work and have better sales and profits.

Communication is just not there at Oracle, one team transfers employees from India to the US while another lays off!!!! seriously? Does Oracle know that moving employees between teams is much cheaper than hiring new ones? Not to mention, new employees have to be paid market price which is something Oracle does not like to do.

If Oracle would fire quickly and "thoughtful" on true performance issues rather than scheming a few months - you do that person a favor; in fact everyone could get a minimum 2 to 3 months full pay as normal and benefit coverage to allow focusing on new work plus as the checks keep rolling in later you would have a very positive opinion of the place - possibly

Re "Well thank you for the explanation - had to look up RIF. So - everyone I know (or knew) are good solid smart people who can easily pickup and do anything - why are we gone? Most I know are in their 50's and 60's - hope that's not the reason. Can't be about performance that's for sure or can it?

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Try suing for ageism ! But hard to prove.

LE likes them young, irregardless of gender

Thanks for the link, yvq. Btw, I've seen it posted on a few other threads (I assume it was you who posted it), just a friendly advice - site admins here consider that a spamming, you can get your IP banned for that.

Folks... Dont get emotional, just know what your rights are. Even when terminated employees have rights..... Im no lawyer but already consulting with one over my layoff as a result of it being bs.

Get educated ... Z

http://youtu.be/CpeMn94iDwE

AND LE, MH and SC are "aged" why don't they let him or her write the damn algorithms or whatever. This is very much BS ...

Even though dogs get treated better than that, you will get over it and I wish you all the best. Come back here in 2 weeks and see how you feel. Maybe relieved?

Well that is one complaint I had. No raises and yet they would hire in much younger at the same or higher. These severance documents are very harsh. I apologize as I am a little emotional. So today is last pay day, last day for benefits, invested stock will be stripped and 'we wish you well'. Great. Who would write such a document?

Because what you making is too high.

Makes sense yet we were sanctioned with that "most important" task of tightening JIT delivery of ... we'll I won't reveal, but it requires extremely advanced mathematical equations and computations and although I love seeing the youth excel, I really don't see who will be able to write this now. I went

from an insider to an outsider in only 30 minutes - these severance documents are way too harsh - who would treat people this way? I didn't see this kind of behavior in my department.

It may be age based. You college kids without family commitments might be cheaper and perceived to be more flexible. It's also likely that operations jobs are shifted to cheaper geographies.

It is unlikely that your personal performance played any role. Your manager may not even have had any impact; HR might have run a query with a filter that meets their goals.

"So - everyone I know (or knew) are good solid smart people who can easily pickup and do anything - why are we gone? Most I know are in their 50's and 60's"... Looks like you answered your own question. Same as in January, and, no, it's not based on your performance review.

Well thank you for the explanation - had to look up RIF. So - everyone I know (or knew) are good solid smart people who can easily pickup and do anything - why are we gone? Most I know are in their 50's and 60's - hope that's not the reason. Can't be about performance that's for sure or can it?

You'd think so. But higher ups think it is easier and cheaper to target employees from cloud competitors with huge offer package sales than to train existing staff. The BoD might want to consider applying the same logic to the top levels of management.

And yes, you can apply for openings. But you are damaged goods. Most hiring managers won't touch you because they will have to explain to their managers why you are good for the role even though someone else in the company targeted you for a RiF. Very unfortunate, i have seen many good people made redundant that i could have used.

Well now wait - here the documents are saying that they encourage me to apply for another position without hesitation - let me read all their documentation and termination agreement before commenting further.

What was your role and which division or product were you dealing with .