How many posts here are from Oracle's competition, using an anonymous place to pour gasoline on a small fire to try to scare clients away from Oracle, thus fattening their own pockets?
Thoughts?
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I am - since you asked. Not to pour gasoline on anything - why would I? I don't relish seeing employees screwed by greedy executives. But, I do have my popcorn watching pure incompetence destroy this once great company and industry player - it's better than HBO's Silicon Valley. Whether Oracle goes the way of Sun Micro or EMC is to be seen but they sure as hell are racing in that direction.
I see many other companies laying off yet very few do it with so little empathy, compassion and sensitivity. Even HPE and IBM, which are having their own blood bath aren't as reckless and ruthless as Oracle.
Sadly, this feels like we are only nearing intermission. That's okay, I'll run out and get some more popcorn and a soda.
OP must be either an Oracle kiss-a middle management or from HR. :D
Competitors ? What a conspiracy theory ! Btw, not everyone plays dirty, folks compete on better and leaner products, not but posting on anonymous sites. And do you expect executives of other companies to make their decision based on anonymous site posts ? God help companies of such executives !
As is obvious, most of the posts are "I wonder .." and "I heard .." type, nothing more. Folks are more or less looking for corroboration of something they heard or they fear.
Troll post. If this forum worked to keep customers away, then IBM would have been out of business a long time ago. If anything, it tells the story no one will tell. It warns employees to get out while they still can. It warns prospective employees to beware. There is no reason for competitors to visit here. If being audited, ripped off, getting shoddy, subpar, outsourced support, or buying half baked software doesn't scare Oracle's customers away, then this site certainly will not.
To hvp, I'm now ex-Oracle but this forum is for honest discussion not for pretending all is rosy. So if there are problems let's air them in public and over in other parts of the layoff.com IBMers or NetAppers, or SAPers might be airing their issues too.
Oracle isn't going to cut your job because of the layoff.com, they will cut it because MH, or SC, or your VP etc decide to based on performance of your BU etc or on some bizarre business logic which states that when the SPARC is inline with Uranus on the 3rd full moon of the QTR it is goodbye time (or not).
Seriously do you think this is likely. Do you think AT&T says, "hmm let's check thelayoff.com before we place that order...". I don't think so.
If you look at the systems posts that have been going on, Arial refs, VP and SVP initials, discussions of IC and M grades that "make sense" remark Oracle, lots of internal tribal knowledge. refs like FMW, TK's organization, FS1 v ZFSSA etc.
Sure a diligent competitor with an ex-Oracle employee could work that out - but really? They are far more likely to spend their time in front of the customer because frankly thelayoff.com isn't going to swing a customer from buying XYZ from Oracle to Product ABC from competition.
I'm the female with the 140 IQ. I am a real former oracle employee.
Oracle s---s. They treat women like sh--.
these comments are by employees!
no way an outsider has this kind of info.
trust me, I work here!
Hahahaha are you high? Which competitor might bother to do that
We don't need their help
A real dummy. I was laid off after 14+ year. The company does not need any help scaring customers away. It comes naturally.. .and keeps getting better at it.
Plenty of posters are paid by competing HR departments. Those IQ score, employee of the month, and female engineer nonsenses are direct evidence
How many posts here are from Oracle's competition
None. Nada. Zilch.
Is there money to be made here, in selling Cloud services, for Amazon or Microsoft or Google? Have there been any job adverts posted here from either of these companies?
Competition happens in the marketplace. Not here, on an anonymous board about Oracle layoffs.
What would be the point of posting here?
Well stated. Can't refute any of that. That list will probably grow as time goes on.
Who has fears about the truth?
Generally speaking, you would not expect competitors to post here. It creates a huge legal liability if they get caught as well as a public relations nightmare. If Oracle were to decide that some of the content here was sufficiently defamatory that they wanted to launch a John Doe lawsuit, they could subpoena the IP addresses of relevant posters to try to unmask them. The risk/reward ratio is just too heavily skewed towards risk.
Look, we are talking about a company that...
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Had its co-CEO claim on CNBC this year that there wouldn't be major restructuring/layoffs (that same person who was let go from another company for falsifying information and acting in unethical ways)
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Is conducting layoffs in smaller waves to hide its actions ( and, perhaps, to cover the a$$ of the co-CEO who lied on TV) as it hasn't filed any WARN reports or issued any statements about layoffs
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Claims that Cloud is booming while pointing to case studies that are mainly large on-premise hardware arrangements
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Has financially engineered deals to include Cloud credits that the customer has no interest in using
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Issued statements to Wall Street about the health of its Cloud business and the growth it is experiencing that are based on the above facts
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Fired an employee who tried to be a whistleblower on how Oracle was manipulating its accounting practices to inflate Cloud income
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Circulated surveys to employees with the appearance that it was confidential/protected/anonymous only to use that information within HCM (and, arguably, as part of layoff decisions)
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Has been conducting performance reviews for years, but they have practically nothing to do with real employment decisions or opportunity
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Regularly makes use of audits to press customers into spending more money
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Is well known for being legally aggressive and difficult to work with
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When an employee gives notice, is terminated or involved in a layoff, instead of ending employee medical benefits on the last day of the month (more typical in the industry), chooses to end them that day
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Over the past several years has consistently been finding ways to trim back benefits, perks and compensation
Oracle/executive leadership has been engaged in widespread lying and manipulation as a regular form of business for quite some time and it has only been escalating as of late.
While competitors could post here and you should think critically about everything you read, why would you give Oracle the benefit of the doubt given what you know about the executives/company based on its established actions?
This site represent many frustrated employees,
Stop cover up for the poor management
Always take statements on this site with a large grain of salt. Some ring true others need the BS flag raised.
"gasoline on a small fire " ?? Its not a small fire if you need to feed the family and give them health care. Some of you folks are so careless with your words and don't think that a layoff can really badly affect a whole family, SHAME on you !@