Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

MH rumored to leave end of August, amidst year long massive layoff

MH is rumored to be leaving oracle. Massive cuts are broken down by quarter after a post on the layoff.com went viral and he was questioned about it on CNBC. MH called it "fake news" and the layoffs were scheduled by department by quarter to avoid unemployment insurance premium raises and skip warn notifications. Yet significant layoffs did occur on June 1. What is more interesting is that the layoffs continued on August3rd with rumors of further cuts in September. The rumor is a 40% reductionin field sales, a 200 person drop in Hamidu's organization by Q3. Further cuts in Support, development and consulting are expected as well.

Link: https://www.channele2e.com/business/talent/oracle-layoffs-2017-rumored-job-staff-cuts-today/

Oracle (ORCL) apparently made job cuts today, according to sources close to the technology giant. ChannelE2E has not confirmed actual layoff figures, but one source suggests hardware teams in particular will be stretched thin as the company doubles down on cloud services.

Unconfirmed reports suggest various Oracle layoffs in the United States and the United Kingdom. Department cuts allegedly include North American sales; customer success managers for North America cloud; and solutions consultants focused on customer experience. Much of the chatter — featuring unconfirmed rumors — surfaced today on TheLayoff.com.

In early May 2017, Oracle CEO Mark Hurd denied a rumor that the company was planning massive job cuts in June 2017. At the time, Hurd called the mass layoff rumor “fake news.” Fast forward to present day (June: the start of Oracle’s new fiscal year) and multiple sources suggest the company had some cuts today — though the sources don’t consider the cuts to be “mass” layoffs.

The layoffs did continue past June 1st. It appears that the rumor was correct. The timing of the layoff has been spread out over many months and quarters. Look now to the following post @Osgtgyv

MH will leave Oracle soon, and so should you

The book "Swim with the Sharks without Being Eaten Alive" details MH strategy. There is a short chapter on a manager who cuts costs, works people overtime with out pay and runs production with out down time for preventative maintenance. This guy increases productivity like crazy and costs drop. The fantastic results are noted, he gets promoted and moves up out of the old job. The next guy steps in and people quit and the machines are broken, costs go up and productivity drops. Management says "Wow we have never seen such a clear case of leadership."

So basically you can burn through the life blood of a company, equipment and people and then jump ship before you have to reap the downside of all the short cuts you take. Look at what happened to HP, now look at will happen to Oracle.

According to the following post @OF3BRo0 the time has come for MH to jump ship and work his "magic" at IBM. During his tenure at Oracle the stock price has doubled from $25 in 2010, to $50 in 2017. His departure may signal what is to come.

MH is sitting in the shoes of what should be the next guy. Which is why he will leave. He is supposed to be the star that cut costs and pumped up revenue, not the guy who takes the fall.

Link: http://247wallst.com/technology-3/2017/08/07/the-5-candidates-most-likely-to-replace-ibm-ceo-rometty/

The turnaround at International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE: IBM) led by “Ginni” Rometty, who took the job at the start of 2012, has faltered, flailed and failed. Earnings have dropped for 21 consecutive quarters. IBM’s share price has plunged. At some point soon, the IBM board will need to oust her, particularly if quarterly results continue to drop this year.

A few of the most likely candidates to take her place:

Mark Hurd is the Co-CEO of enterprise software giant Oracle Corp. (NYSE: ORCL), another company with a large presence in cloud computing. Hurd also has a long track record of dealing with large companies around the world. His primary role at Oracle is sales and marketing. He was the CEO of Hewlett-Packard, before it was split into two pieces, from 2005 to 2010.

What this means is that MH knows that this will be a very difficult year in Sales, Support, Consulting, and its the end of HW. He is out to bail, and most likely has already struck a deal with IBM. What this means for you is that a next Gen IAAS is rolled out its going to be a very difficult year. Oracle has suffered teremendous brain drain on the Sales Consulting side, and lost decades of customer relatonships as the sales and sales support team have been decimated. People that were not let go are now leaving in droves. Support has been outsourced and the customers have placed Oracle in containment mode.

Cheap labor at OD has been hired to cold call the customer to a new level of annoyance. Its going to be a very very bad year. Who ever steps into MH shoes as CO CEO will take the blame. Additionally the layoffs are pregrogrammed to continue to being morale to an all time low.

Rumor has it MH will be out by the end of August. He is leaving a train wreck, to go and "Save" IBM. The stock will go up for a short time at IBM followed by serious problems. Good luck to those who think they can make it through a very rough year. Lets not let this kind of management get praise. Lets make sure the fate of Oracle is tied to MH after his departure.

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This is a great way for a prospective employer to see if they should hire MH. The answer: we'd love to lose him but you'd be stupid to hire him

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Post ID: @2xae+OFOyktO

Squeeze it till the blood drains out of it, and as it dies, go find another victim. Oh and collect 41 million in total comp while doing it. Simple effective. Tapeworms, mosquitos, vampires and other parasites have their niche in life, and it pays.

http://www1.salary.com/Mark-V-Hurd-Salary-Bonus-Stock-Options-for-ORACLE-CORP.html

I think the main point is if the parasite stays to long and wins.... the host dies and everyone loses. Parasites don't like to go down with the host, like a flea jumping to a new host its time to go.

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Post ID: @2waq+OFOyktO

He'll be at IBM within next 90 days. Just my gut feeling. The street sees him as someone who put Oracle on the Cloud track and IBM is hurting in this area big time. IBM's CEO is on her way out and they are actively looking for a replacement.

They are in a dire need of further job cutting on a massive scale, cost cutting, etc. They will never find anyone more qualified to deliver this than MH.

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Post ID: @2ztp+OFOyktO

The whole stock market has doubled since MH has been at Oracle. So what, he is keeping pace.

If only. Last five years:

ORCL +52%

S)

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Post ID: @2brn+OFOyktO

MH is a business genius. He doubled the stock of Oracle since he has been here.

The whole stock market has doubled since MH has been at Oracle. So what, he is keeping pace. That's all. Nothing genius about it. He's mediocre.

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Post ID: @2zjw+OFOyktO

Who writes this garbage? MH is not going anywhere. If anyone is going to leave it will be SC and LE. Wall Street loves MH and they want him to keep doing what he's doing.

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Post ID: @2dvy+OFOyktO

Hate to disappoint all you boys and girls, the simple truth is that only LE is dumb and sadistic enough to hire an A:hole like MH. Given the guys history he's unhirable anywhere else. So the sad truth is that oracle is stack with him and the destruction he inflicts on the company and employees every day

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Post ID: @2qsl+OFOyktO

MH is a business genius. He doubled the stock of Oracle since he has been here.

The stock isn't up because of any value that MH created. He cuts costs. Repeatedly. He is a one-trick pony. While that may be great and "successful" over the course of a number of years, he doesn't know when to stop or what else to do. Taking a longer outlook of things, what MH does is ruin lives and businesses. He did it at HP and he is doing it again at Oracle. Add to it that he is a narcissistic, manipulative, abusive liar and his legacy certainly won't be as a "business genius".

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Post ID: @2eaj+OFOyktO

For the record: MH was never going to be the CEO of MSFT and was never seriously considered for the job. Even the analysts were perfectly clear about the fact that MSFT was looking for a CEO who could innovate and grow the company whereas MH is a cost cutter and a cost cutter only. You can fool some people some of the time, but Wall Street has no doubt what MH is about - cost cutting and cost cutting only

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Post ID: @2lwc+OFOyktO

If you want a real rumor, try this -- MH and GR (IBM CEO) are going to get married! They are perfect for each other! Both draw huge incomes from behemoth, legacy companies all by selling a "vision" to stockholders about how things are going to get better while doing little other than cutting costs and shifting the workforce to lower-cost labor (college grads and overseas).

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Post ID: @1cms+OFOyktO

Given that IBM just sued their former CIO for joining to AWS (alleging that he took trade secrets and violated a non compete), it would be interesting and amusing to see MH depart for Big Blue.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/09/ibm_sues_former_cio_who_wants_to_work_for_aws/

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Post ID: @1ogd+OFOyktO

Koolaid drinker? I think @OFOyktO-1lmc has the opinion most people outside of Oracle do of MH.

MH is a business genius. He doubled the stock of Oracle since he has been here. He has been the CEO of several large publicly traded companies. He has been courted by Microsoft, Dell and yes IBM.

Lots of companies would hire MH in a heartbeat, especially IBM who has been s---ing wind for 21 count them... 21 consecutive quarters. How do you miss at bat 21 times in a row? If you look at MH batting average by comparison its pretty good.

Two questions:

  1. Would MH want to leave?

  2. Would other companies like IBM want him?

I think they answer to number 2 is yes. Only MH knows the answer to number 1.

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Post ID: @1qmo+OFOyktO

Last reply - "MH is a business genius?" OMG you have got to stop drinking the Kool aid and put your helmet back on. The world will know what MH's actual contributions were to Oracle soon enough. Then the stock will most likely will tank.....

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Post ID: @1lmc+OFOyktO

MH is a business genius. He doubled the stock of Oracle since he has been here. He has been the CEO of several large publicly traded companies. He has been courted by Microsoft, Dell and yes IBM.

http://www.ukocn.com/article/oracles-mark-hurd-shoots-down-dell-rumors

http://www.silicon.co.uk/workspace/oracles-hurd-no-microsoft-ceo-130175

Really MH is better than all of you. And all you disgruntled employees are pathetic whiners. You are lucky to have him running Oracle. He could go anywhere he wants. Unlike you guys, miserable losers getting replaced by college kids and people in India and Romania who are glad to work at half or less than your overpriced salaries. You let your skills go soft and you are not up on all the latest cloud and opensource technologies.

Seriously I'm wasting my time here. Everyone dropped at Oracle is a slack jawed lazy dinosaur, that had this coming a long time ago. If you were worth anything you could find a job elsewhere. But you aren't so you sit here read this crap and get sick with worry.

You should be kissing MH's bottom for keeping the lights on at Oracle. If it was up to you losers there would be no cloud at Oracle and you'd still be peddling your wares to an ever shrinking on premises market. MH is a god of sorts compared to the rest of you.

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Post ID: @1wxr+OFOyktO

@OFOyktO-1eiv

Did not stop MH from going from CEO of HP to CEO of Oracle. He could go from CEO of Oracle to CEO of IBM. Not with out consequences, but that does not mean it can't be done.

Now if you switch companies and then say you wont support the old companies products you might have some additional trouble. But that did not stop MH either.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/06/30/hp-wins-3b-damages-oracle-itanium-suit/86578046/

SAN FRANCISCO — A California jury on Thursday ordered Oracle to pay the former Hewlett Packard $3 billion in damages over HP's claim that Oracle reneged on a deal to support HP computer servers running on Itanium chips from Intel.

Oracle said it will appeal.

"Two trials have now demonstrated clearly that the Itanium chip was nearing end of life, HP knew it, and was actively hiding that fact from its customers," Oracle General Counsel Dorian Daley said in a statement late Thursday.

The decision followed a month-long trial in Superior Court in San Jose, stemming from Oracle's decision in 2011 to cease offering its products on HP's Itanium servers, according to HP.

More to the point:

http://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/231000831/oracle-seeks-to-unseal-hp-hurd-settlement-in-itanium-dispute.htm

The "Hurd agreement" refers to a confidential agreement signed in September between HP and Hurd under which HP dropped the lawsuit it filed against Hurd earlier that month after he joined Oracle as its new co-president, while Hurd gave up the roughly $30 million in stock options he received in August in his HP severance package.

So in a nutshell MH can go to IBM, but there will be some options he gives up and he might lose a severance package. Nothing he has not been through before.

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Post ID: @1ddx+OFOyktO

When MS contacted MH in 2013, he wasn't the CEO.

Ever hear about anti-competitive laws ?

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Post ID: @1eiv+OFOyktO

Could be true:

https://www.cnbc.com/2013/10/22/mark-hurd-microsoft-move-not-planned.html

Mark Hurd, one of the rumored leading contenders to replace Steve Ballmer as chief executive of Microsoft, told CNBC that he is "not planning" to move from his current job as president at technology company Oracle.

Hurd is one of several technology executives whose name has been linked with one of the biggest jobs in the industry, since it emerged that Steve Ballmer is stepping down from Microsoft. Other high-profile names connected to the job include Alan Mulally, chief executive of Ford Motors, and Stephen Elop, the former Nokia CEO who has rejoined Microsoft to head up its mobile devices division .

Hurd told CNBC he is "very happy" at Oracle – but did not deny that he had been contacted by Microsoft.

If Microsft contacted MH in 2013 its not far-fetched to think IBM would do the same in 2017.

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Post ID: @1qap+OFOyktO

@OFOyktO-1kqc I would agree except, 2016 marked a true departure from business as usual when the channel partners were dropped in June. A whole division with over 300 people were let go. Now this year marks an even further departure from the Oracle norm as the layoffs continue all through Q1. Something is off...

This report is obviously a total rumor. It doesn't claim to have a shred of evidence, but its not the only post insinuating MH is leaving. Its about the 3rd or 4th post here. The OP listed another article that said MH would be a candidate to replace Rometty from an outside source. It seems that its not the only rumor MH is leaving.

Fact is sometimes stranger than fiction.

A similar rumor surfaced in 2013 that MH would go to Microsoft.

https://www.cnbc.com/2013/10/22/mark-hurd-microsoft-move-not-planned.html

Hurd told CNBC he is "very happy" at Oracle – but did not deny that he had been contacted by Microsoft.

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Post ID: @1qbn+OFOyktO

Couldn't agree more. Someone the honest forum is turning into stupid folks playing out their wildest theories. All that spin doctor's from O have to do now is keep floating enough of these kind of articles to have masses be disgusted and ween away from real informations sharing. Other saddening trend is to start bashing O by promoting anecdotal comments to their own threads. O, or it's employees like us , or it's mgmt or it's executives are not evil. Just that some things like RIFs are not handled properly, but author of this post decided to test his/her fantasy novelist skills here. Shame !

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Post ID: @1kqc+OFOyktO

Sadly this article is so stupid its probably true. MH burned HP beyond repair, bailed then butchered Oracle, then pulls the rip cord as Oracle begins to crash and burn and proceeds to destroy IBM.

Its like a made for TV movie where the villain is transparently evil. Snidely Whiplash, Dr Evil, have nothing on this. Its comic gold. Part of me thinks this is fabricated nonsense, the other part of me wishes it were true. I think the only hope for Oracle is if MH leaves.

If MH stays it will be painful to watch as he literally paints himself in a corner and fires everyone, all the way to chapter 11. Instead of hi being irrevocable stupid I'd prefer him to be a soulless villain in cahoots with a corrupt BoD at IBM. Its much better watching... let me get the popcorn.

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Post ID: @1zcn+OFOyktO

MH would bail if he could. IBM is slipping into oblivion. MH will be the perfect guy to bury it. But the question is would IBM really be as dumb as that? I suppose if the Boad wanted to dump its stock they would bring in a squeezer like hurd to fire everyone, cut costs, and pump the stock one last time before total collapse.

Hey IBM did beat amazon in cloud. Maybe MH is stupid enough to think IBM cloud might work. Its probably a perfect combination of stupidity and greed that makes this article 100% accurate. I hate to be a cynic. But if your gonna be a cynic then stupidity at the highest levels mixed with short sighted greed would make the BoD and MH a perfect match.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2017/07/28/ibm-beats-amazon-in-12-month-cloud-revenue-15-1-billion-to-14-5-billion/

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Post ID: @1lce+OFOyktO

IBM is as F:ed up as oracle so of course they would be looking at hiring MH, why would anybody sane want the IBM CEO job? With that deranged BoD, what a perfect match for MH

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Post ID: @1hgi+OFOyktO

HACKSAW HURD has been hcking jobs like a Ta----n at a g-y pride parade. He'll leave now that Oracle is damaged beyond repair.

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Post ID: @1pqw+OFOyktO

To leave without a package, I leave a hundred grand on the table. I can assure you that the layoff of Aug 3 is quite real and many of my friends were impacted. To see JF and MH leave is manna from heaven.

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Post ID: @1bsb+OFOyktO

This site used to discuss facts heard though grapevine., Not conspiracy theories. Total Bullocks. Rubbish piece !

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Post ID: @1gjc+OFOyktO

There had not been a public scandal (yet) so clearly too early for MH to leave

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Post ID: @1qzh+OFOyktO

Wishful thinking in this post.

Could oracle get so lucky as to jettison Hurd to IBM?

Pray, pray, pray.

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Post ID: @1jrh+OFOyktO

As the old sayings go...

"Get out! While the getting is good."

Or

"Quit while you are ahead."

I can't think of a better time to leave work Alden after you can claim you doubled the stock price. Right or wrong, The whole truth or a partial truth; that's the story he will put on his CV.

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Post ID: @1zup+OFOyktO

Here's a scenario I can get my head around: the SEC reviews oracle "cloud" revenues and requests a change in sales and accounting policies and a restatement, b/c of that Q1 is in the roiled, LE is outraged and promises to fix everything. Stock tanks and teflpn MH sails off on the sunset to use his "valuable" experience to save yet another troubled company. How's that? Short of that he's staying put

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Post ID: @1qrf+OFOyktO

Even as a lowly employee, I can see that this is a BS post. Citing a vanity article where someone says "5 potential candidates are .." is not a proof of anything. What BS , O will never allow due to anti-competitive clause, and frankly how many CEOs you have seen switching from one big company to another big company ?

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Post ID: @xln+OFOyktO

This is a GOLD post :-)

Thanks OP

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Post ID: @eoj+OFOyktO

Can't imagine that IBM's BoD would be dumb enough...

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Post ID: @pvz+OFOyktO

MH has been misleading the street and public for years related to the so called "health" of Oracle's cloud business. All he needed was enough time to hype Oracle's phantom cloud revs so that he could prop up the stock and sell it and at nice profit. This behavior is probably why LE hired him to begin with. Let's not forget that LE has billions of dollars in private loans collateralized by his own stock ownership. Birds a feather flock together.... MH, LE, SC, TK, and others need to be held accountable for this choreographed train wreck.

MH & LE defined = extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.

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