Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

I agree with you on SPARC/Solaris, but why does Oracle need to continue build their own x86 systems? The sale of x86 servers outside of the Oracle cloud and engineered systems is insignificant. What value is added that justifies the development cost?

Get a clue people. Sparc/Solaris are done. We've wasted a huge amount of money on R&D with nothing much to show for it. Sales have steadily declined and Fowler and his chums never changed tactics. We can resell M12 with a nice big fat margin and our R&D and support costs will be a fraction. It's OPL all over again only this time we're not going to bother with anything else.

x86 will continue on because it's what the majority of the market wants, whether in the cloud or not.

OP: if you work in SCA or BUR, you already know the answer. if you don't, maybe you don't need to know the answer.

anyway, it is very easy to understand the bare metal plan, just check the new X7 line, look closely to the new systems, what accelerator technology is used, and how they are (not) sold. not so difficult.

They despise old oracle folks.

no doubt the feelings are mutual.

How can they work with the HW guys

fine, let them fire everyone and then see how they whine to dell or foxconn and see if they get any better service (answer is no).

from what I hear, the bm guys have their collective tops up their bottoms and can't claw their way out of a wet paper bag if their lives depended on it. they still have 2 envelopes left, good luck to them if they fire us.

That's probably not a good sign the hardware teams or Oracle in general.

What are you dreaming of. If you met with any bare metal guys, u'll find they do not want others call them oracle employee. They despise old oracle folks. How can they work with the HW guys

we heard you the first time.

stop posting the same bs on multiple threads.

I would think all of the remaining hardware teams will wind up under the cloud except for possibly some very small teams to maintain existing products.

The big question then becomes what hardware will be in the cloud going forward and whether Oracle will build that hardware or just buy it. I do think the answer lies with the bare metal team. From what I've seen in the past there has been very little direction provided from the bare metal team to the hardware groups. Most of the bare metal guys came from Amazon, right? Perhaps the answer lies there. Does anyone have some insight into what Amazon and possibly some of the other bare metal cloud providers do in terms of buy vs build? Is there some unique value (cost, availability, simplicity of management, etc) that Oracle can really provide in the cloud by building their own systems? If there is, I haven't seen it yet.

My guess is that a very small amount of hardware will be left as part of the cloud team. That team will likely have a different role in that it will be more focused on managing vendors that will actually provide the systems needed in the bare metal cloud.

Another will card to consider in all this is the re-emergence of AMD in the server space. Ultimately there will be a need to provide new AMD systems in the bare metal cloud. I'm not sure Oracle wants to go down the path of building such systems, so there would likely be some hardware support needed to manage those system vendors as well.

Unfortunately regardless of the answers, Oracle won't need as many hardware folks as it currently has now.

HW ( Sun) going down .. caused by same directors and VP of Sun .. shame on them