Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

one of the biggest bs posts ever. cisco needs people with software skills and I can tell you that the ones that are temps are bottom of the barrel. 3.6% unemployment rate... the only people out on the market right now aren't worth hiring. TEMPS!!!??? yeah Cisco wants the bottom... whatever. stupidest thread on this site

Hey!

Im doing some research on including temps in large global businesses and I'd be really grateful for any insight you could give:

Are you invited to team lunches?

Are you invited to parties- Christmas party for example?

Are you allowed to use the same facilities that the FTEs use? ( Gym, subsidised canteen etc)

Any insight you could give would be really really helpful!

[Companies] will be slowly moving away from hiring permanent employees to hire resources based on demand and employ them for few months. Its more easy and cost-effective. They dont have bare social security, health cost, Bonuses, or career aspirations of permanent employees.

I've never understood the statement that temps are less expensive and more cost-effective.

Yes, you don't have to give them PTO or benefits. Yes, you don't have to pay unemployment taxes or social security for them. But someone DOES. And ALL companies are in business TO MAKE A PROFIT. So, if a consulting company is paying someone to do a temp job for you, they're paying that person a reasonable wage that's in the same ballpark as the employees. They're giving them PTO or paying them a higher wage so that they can afford to take time off or get them through the gaps between temp gigs. They're offering that person benefits even though the employee is paying 100% of the costs. They're paying the unemployment taxes and social security taxes. AND they're making a profit, so that means in total dollars, Cisco and other companies are paying more per hour for that person's work than if they were employees.

But, because of accounting and dividing things into various categories, it's considered less of a liability to hire a temp than an employee. I get the flexibility of temps, where you can let them go "just because" instead of having to justify firing, but that flexibility comes with costs. Those costs are a higher cost / man-hour and less efficiency. With the constant churn of temps, you have to get a computer, a network account, an email account, access to various systems & tools, and get the temp up to speed on how/where to find documentation on processes and procedures. And then you have to revoke all those accounts/accesses once they leave and turn in the computer. How many man-hours are wasted on that, especially when all the temps you bring in all do basically the same job. Why not just have an employee do that work instead of a constant churn of temps?

The way that Cisco has been going though document repositories over the past 5 yrs, good luck keeping things documented so the new guy can hit the ground running as they say. Those little details that you only mess with once every 3-5 yrs as you upgrade systems can easily get lost when the documents move from Cisco wiki to WebEx Social to Confluence wiki to whatever is next. But that employee you let go who'd gone through several upgrades remembers that there's a few little "gotcha's" that get overlooked and goes searching for the old documents in his/her email. Too bad that email's now gone, along with all the notes on his/her laptop.

Temps work better than fte. FTEs are alway whining about their bonus, vacation, freebies. FTEs are like crybabies in a school yard. The FTEs I work with are old freeloaders on medications (prozac, sleeping pills, oxycontin, medical weed, etc). CSCO should take away medical benefits and this will make these dinosaur hippies run for the exits. No need for layoffs.

Sounds like you're the whiner. Have some cheese.

I, nor anyone on my team or teams I worked with, discussed our bonus or vacation. Well, we might talk about where we went or what we did while on vacation, but I know plenty of temps who do the same.

Maybe all the whiners are now the one's Cisco should have let go instead of the ones they did or the ones that left Cisco because they were too skilled to have to put up w/ the toxic atmosphere you're describing.

Most of the FTE's I worked with joined Cisco back in the early-to-mid 2000's, so they certainly weren't old and on any of the med's you mentioned. Most of the employees with less than 5 yrs at Cisco were ex-Nortel employees, otherwise we all had 10-15 yrs of service.

We worked hard, did our jobs to make our customer's happy and keep up with new technology that the customers wanted to use. But, hey, Cisco wanted younger employees with lower pay grades, so now many of us are gone.

I am a temp for life and am loving it.

The only thing I hate about being a temp is the constant search for a new job every 6, 12, or 18 months. It also makes for a LONG resume when you list a new company every couple of years.

I did, however, love not having performance reviews, playing politics, etc. Health care is typically more expensive, but the wages usually covered it so the take-home pay was the same.

I don't want to go back to temp work, anywhere, but it does look like it's the way of the future as companies typically do temp hires and later convert temps to employees.

Temp has it's benefits.

Important to document, define, and clearly articulate work status, risks, and barriers.

Refreshing not to deal with politics.

Concentrate on the work and over-communicate, especially in written summary correspondence.

Temp is great. You destroyed my loyalty. I'll still work and deliver. I own my soul. Luckily, it grew back after a few months of post-LR de-programming.

Temps work better than fte. FTEs are alway whining about their bonus, vacation, freebies. FTEs are like crybabies in a school yard. The FTEs I work with are old freeloaders on medications (prozac, sleeping pills, oxycontin, medical weed, etc). CSCO should take away medical benefits and this will make these dinosaur hippies run for the exits. No need for layoffs.

I am a temp for life and am loving it.

My group already does this. No new perm hires since layoff of 2014. But we have at least 12+ temps that hired to fill the spaces. Temp keep getting contract extension so they permanently temp. Take longer get stuff done and quality is 2nd rate but that is the new csco.