Any HR folks know what information Oracle provides a perspective employer during a background check? Curious as I keep getting threatened with a PIP.. I've never been fired before so I just want to be prepared. - thanks
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"Oracle's severance payouts aren't made out of charity, or a desire to help their former employees. It's minimal hush money. Oracle protecting itself from lawsuits it knows it would lose in a trial. Paying out $75,000 in severance is cheaper than a $5 million wrongful termination or age discrimination lawsuit, not including Oracle's legal fees.. Especially when there's written proof of harassment or workplace bullying to boot. Something Oracle is quite well known for"
This paragraph is the most lucid I have seen here for a while regarding Oracle and layoff packages ! HR's main function is purely to see that Oracle is not liable for a law suit.
When you get fired you also get a severance package. Just so you know.
You missed the point. Top performers are the last to go when the RIF axe starts swinging. You start culling the dead wood from the bottom. Thus, most people whining on here are bottom performers likely when the life boat exercises start.
No one fires or gives people a layoff package who was at the top of the performance band.
Actually, they give a layoff package with a severance payout to the top performing people who are laid off so that they don't sue Oracle for wrongful termination or age discrimination. Oracle's layoff package comes with strings attached. It is not free.
Are you stupid enough to think Oracle employees don't keep copies of their performance reviews? How do you think being over 40, with several years of 4 or 5 performance rating, maybe even raises, and suddenly being sacked, would look in court?
Oracle's severance payouts aren't made out of charity, or a desire to help their former employees. It's minimal hush money. Oracle protecting itself from lawsuits it knows it would lose in a trial. Paying out $75,000 in severance is cheaper than a $5 million wrongful termination or age discrimination lawsuit, not including Oracle's legal fees.. Especially when there's written proof of harassment or workplace bullying to boot. Something Oracle is quite well known for.
People at the bottom 20% don't get a layoff package. They get fired for cause.
"No one fires or gives people a layoff package who was at the top of the performance band. "
That is an overly broad generalization. There are plenty of other elements that can go into determining who to let go. No, I wasn't let go -- I've just seen enough layoffs to know that "performance" can be a very subjective measurement.
The biggest factor is the relationship between the manager and employee. It happens under regular circumstances. You know -- THAT person who is on the team or even promoted but is totally clueless. The person who went to the same school as, golfs with or "has pictures of" the boss. These things can become even more inflated during layoffs.
It can also just be part of being in the wrong place. An entire department/team can get axed regardless of individual performance. A specific role can be devalued and eliminated as well. It can be product or customer alignment. If a product isn't profitable or if a customer isn't spending "enough" money during a specific timeframe, people and/or teams are let go.
It can be things like gender or age as well. I've heard of plenty of cases of women receiving unequal treatment to men within Oracle and I know some whose goals for this year are higher than their male peers without any good reason other than to set them up to be let go. Given that age and compensation/benefit cost correlates tightly, it wouldn't be surprising to see this be a "hidden" factor in layoffs going forward.
Given oracle has fake appraisal. I think those performance rating numbers are cooled by middle level managers.
No one fires or gives people a layoff package who was at the top of the performance band. Sorry. Tell yourself as much as you want they you were good but any partial department layoff starts from the bottom. Good luck convincing yourself you are good.
@Ox3P4k4-wxu getting fired is probably bottom 20%. Getting laid off, or having your department obliterated impacts everyone, regardless of performance.
There is a difference, getting fired is poor performance. Getting laid off means we don't value that type of service anymore at this company.
When you layoff in sales, it means we don't value sales at this company any more. Its that simple. We don't value revenue generators. We think we can hire someone with no experience to do a job just as good as you.
They do not.
No matter at how crappy you were st your job or your manager thought you were at your job Oracle provides no information.
Also HR asks questions of directors who fill out the no rehire tag In your termination documents.
You don't need to worry unless someone informally calls your manager to ask offline how bad your performance was.
Good luck.
So they refuse to answer the eligible for rehire question?
They only provide date of service and potential end date. Information is limited. So you don't have to worry. Legally you have to agree to any information as well.
Good luck bottom 20% guy.
Why you know something we don't? No more severance packages? Just outright terminations from here on?