Thread regarding IBM layoffs

@1gvd Austria too - it's really easy for East Europeans to get Visas (non EU) to work there (and in Germany) - for junior level positions they start them at about 25 Euro per hr plus 5 weeks vac, benefits, etc... It'd be hard to find someone who'd be willing to work for Indian level wages (I think I saw somewhere that a typical take home pay is about $1K per month)....

Hey OP - ask layoff.com to build a page or two for your companies in India as well - let's see what you guys have to say

Try to find an engineer anywhere in Eastern Europe who'd be willing to work for $10/hr - good luck with the task...

The price is not an issue here, it's the fact that India's tech talent pool is exhausted, regardless of 1B population, the pool of solid candidates is still limited. This means that top candidates already have solid jobs and wages have pushed up (at that top level)...

This leaves IBMs and Accentures of the world to fight for second and third rate talent which regularly f---s up projects and is impossible to work with.

Meanwhile, Hungary, Poland, Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, etc. are largely untouched and top tier university folks are still available - that's why you are seeing this big push into the region.

Source: Stood up a support center in 2014 in Serbia

Cracked me up:

probably the worst thing you can do is try to plead your case on American LABOR day

@P620rRs-ezy : East european IT workers cannot be compared with indians. Life level in those countries is increasing fast

The best workers wont stay and have better job opportunities mainly in germany. European labor laws are going to change to be more equitable across the 27 countries of european community . Low cost employee is not the solution . The solution is automation like that you have no employee . Look at what is doing AWS .

What you have described is what is happening in the US except it usually starts at 10+ years. Companies hold severance over your head forcing you to do a "knowledge transfer" to your younger, cheaper replacement.

What Stupid American Companies don't understand is that even if it were possible to transfer ten years of experience in 30 days that you have no incentive to do it based on how you were treated. After all, managers neither know nor care about the many technical nuances that you have mastered over the last decade and keep in your head. It's the "stuff" that's not in the documentation that you learned through trial and error that makes you valuable and there is no way to measure or quantify this "tribal" knowledge that gets handed down from person to person. The literally do not know what they don't know.

Furthermore, they have taught the new hires that loyalty and tenure means nothing and that they should jump to another employer the moment they get a better deal.

IBM is actively culling 50-somethings no realizing that it sends a message to workers in their 30's and 40's that there is no long term benefit to staying with IBM and they should leave while they are still young enough to land on the promotion track at another company.

probably the worst thing you can do is try to plead your case on American LABOR day....go away, make your own stuff

Welcome to what the US has been doing for 20+ years already. this is nothing new.

Companies are already seeing India's workforces becoming too expensive for the logistical nightmare it is for US companies to have India IT. Eastern Europe is the new India.

just be happy we dont come there and take your jobs....your people have no skills and need to be trained twice as hard as any american.