Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Amen. The problem is not just managers at Oracle, it's the upper level executives that create poor policies and culture, and enable idiots further down the organisation to wreak havoc on the rest of the company. Another fundamental problem is the place is run by lawyers and bean counters. These people have their role, but they end up dictating the business and creative process. These people have no fundamental idea or training in creating IP for customers, hence they don't understand how destructive them and their influence is.

Spot on. Luckily, not all managers are bad. But the corp culture and BS stinks. "Please bend over and abide by..." Beats me how anyone can be productive while keeping up with those bs edicts.

The place is full of lemmings, including in the upper ranks.

Rememner, senior Oracle execs need lots of subordinates to blame when things go wrong

Exactly, and when they do get the blame, they don't get fired or laid off, they get moved to those positions where they have 3,2,1 or zero reports.

That's supposed to be a demotion and an embarrassment. The fewer reports you have, the less status you have. I think the expectation is that the director is supposed to be so humiliated that they will then leave of their own accord. But, that doesn't happen. They just stay there, as long as they get paid, having nothing to do or be responsible for.

I expect some of them are relieved to have nothing to do, but still get paid. And when they go to the party at the neighbor's house they can still say they are a director at Oracle..... even though they don't do anything. Narcissism..... it only matters what they look like, not what they actually can do.

Only a good director would leave under that circumstance.... sh--ty directors don't care, just so long as they get paid and have a title.

All they have to do to prune the tree is look at the org chart and trim out all the deadwood with few reports. Should be soooooo easy to do.... but it won't happen, will it.

No, got to blame some other group.... like the engineers.... the blame just flows downhill.... it's just those damn engineers that won't cooperate and implement that wonder AI thing that all the directors thought was a great idea.... when they talk about it in their meetings without any of those damn engineers to get in the way.....only it can never be done because it's not physically possible.

If only they had the RIGHT engineers..... but, then those smart engineers are always pointing things out... so they have to be sabotaged and destroyed to make them leave. Those smart engineers that think they KNOW things.... but obviously, they don't, since all of the important directors all agree what the plan should be....... in their private meetings with no engineers to mess the ideas up.

On.... and on..... and on.... and on.....

Oracle is soooooo screwed...... LE, it's all over with.

I can't believe how many Oracle Directors have 1 or no staff members.

Wow! I didn't realize this, but I believe it. I have seen the other, where director has only 2 or 3 reports. There are lots of those.

And I'm sure all the useless directors are s---ing up a lot of cash.

Raidcal, the regular employees might actually need to interact with senior execs and that would completely shatter the perception that these execs are semi gods of some kind, dispensing wisdom from Mt Olympus. Not something oracle top execs could live with, this it's not going to happen. Rememner, senior Oracle execs need lots of subordinates to blame when things go wrong

I can't believe how many Oracle Directors have 1 or no staff members.

There are definitely too many managers. Some of them are just token placements where the manager is just put in the middle somewhere with only 2 or 3 reports. Huge waste of money. They are there just because they are buddy-buddy with someone, or someone else in the management feels sorry for them.

One of the biggest things Oracle could do would be to clear out the management stack. Developers are needed, they have skills and knowledge that are needed. Managers aren't in that category, most of them don't have any idea what they are doing.

If it's one thing I've learned at Oracle, when in doubt, add more management.

Manager in this case refer to the management team (VP, director, manager).

Amen. The problem is not just managers at Oracle, it's the upper level executives that create poor policies and culture, and enable idiots further down the organisation to wreak havoc on the rest of the company. Another fundamental problem is the place is run by lawyers and bean counters. These people have their role, but they end up dictating the business and creative process. These people have no fundamental idea or training in creating IP for customers, hence they don't understand how destructive them and their influence is.