Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

If you guys knew so much about management then why did you get fired?? Hmmm

... said a clueless Oracle employee. You must be next on the list, right? Why else would you be on a layoff site.

If you guys knew so much about management then why did you get fired?? Hmmm

who sez I was fired you little twerp.

ZE problem is , is that the training is non-existent if you are not in HQ. Non-GQ folks have had no training in years. How are you going to get folks to the next level ?

Now we can read books on safari - gimme a break . After training and/or reading books, you need hands-on work to reinforce what you have learnt but that often does not come but you are stuck in the same old same old. NEIN

If you guys knew so much about management then why did you get fired?? Hmmm

When you have a little person by the name of E Screwjob S, that looks like a child molester. Yes Oracle has poor management.

Get paid. Then get out.

Getting paid is proving challenging these days.

The management left in Oracle is sht all the way up the chain. They don't feed the information up the ladder as they are scared of the questions they might get. Overall, the individual contributors are sht as well, whoever is good goes packing when they see the monstrosity. Just learn to move on, nobody up the ladder is listening directly to ICs, in their mind that's why the ladder is there for. MH's org is hoping for development to deliver them with bug free and feature rich products, so they don't have to move a finger, on-premise products work that way, unfortunately it isn't how cloud works.

IMO, the issue is top/down corporate culture, if that doesn't change, your managers will s--- no matter who you put in those roles.

In my experience, information NEVER moves up the chain. I think there are 2 reasons for this:

• narcissistic managers who absolutely can't accept information from employees they consider to be their inferiors.

• lack of relevant technical experience in the director chain.... they don't understand what is going on below them.

"They also do not look out for their employees, they manage up the chain only..."

You are painting with too broad a brush here. I won't classify the managers I've had and/or know in that manner. They do look out for their employees. But they are limited on what they can do, either from edict rolling down from their direct management or Oracle policies.

I pose the same scenario, if you are a manager and your director/VP tells you to do XYZ that's detrimental to your employees, what do you do?

IMO, the issue is top/down corporate culture, if that doesn't change, your managers will s--- no matter who you put in those roles.

I think it should refer to "strong management" and "weak management", rather than manager. Sometimes managers can be good managers, but are unable to function in a bad environment.

I would agree with the statement that the management at Oracle is weak. Mostly, the managers wait to see what the other managers are doing and then copy them. If anyone looks outside the company for something new to do, they look only to copy someone else. They do not invent any new ideas or have the guts to try anything new. They also do not look out for their employees, they manage up the chain only, mostly acting as 'yes' men for the director above. Safer that way.

@uzx - I seriously doubt this refers to VPs, have to believe it's about the 3 Stooges, who are weak, clueless and useless and who are running toe company over the cliff and into the ground

"A weak manager makes sure he/she gets paid first and best, and in times of adversity takes the path of least resistance by reducing headcount."

Humm... You are assuming that the manager had discretion on the reduction. even if that was the case, what do you do if your director/VP comes to you one day and say, I need you to cut X% of your directs. and you going to say nope, I wont do it? go ahead, try that line, see what happens.