Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Oracle has a cancer, and hopefully Eddy ends up with cancer. This tool is a SOB that should be ashamed of himself. I wish him to hell along with his family. Root in hell you sick SOB.

Here is a warning to the people in the new acquisitions: NetSuite and Apiary.

You will be attacked. The management at Oracle is highly skilled at doing this. Some have them have been through a lot of acquisitions and they know what they are doing. They will use every underhanded trick in the book.

The nicest and friendliest seeming managers and directors will be the worst. Watch you back. They want to take whatever you have and discredit you in the process, and they are networked in. They have friends and they will work together to take over territory in whatever way they can.

They just view it as a part of their jobs. They don't care about the people involved. So far as they are concerned, it's either you or them.

I was in fusion middleware when Sun was acquired. The Sun people that came into the group were isolated and kept from getting involved in any central project.

I understand this from both sides. The Sun people were treated very unfairly, as the management was telling them they were happy to have them aboard, but sabotaging them behind their backs.

On the other side, the people who had been there already were reluctant to give up their projects to new people coming in. No one wanted to do that.

There should have been some formal way of integrating being dictated by the management above in some way. Or, additional people should be laid off immediately after acquisition.... that would at least be more straight-forward than the way it was done.... which was, sabotage them until they leave.

The acquisition strategy is very poorly done and it pits managers and developers against each other in a really bad way.

The article on LE said that he liked to have engineering groups compete against each other, maybe that's what he thinks he's doing in an acquisition. But, it is not a real competition, in that the criteria for who stays and who goes is not based on any technical knowledge or ability. It is based on who knows the most underhanded tricks. It's really sad that it ends up this way.

It's entirely possible that some of those Sun people who were discarded in this way would have been very helpful in building better technology, possibly helpful for cloud development. But they were never given a chance to do anything.

LE, your acquisition strategy has really destroyed your company. You have mostly thugs and creeps left in development. The good technical people never stay through all the crap they would have to endure at Oracle.

Oracle - the company without a future

The way ORCL whacked ~2500 on 9.1.17 created a lot more than 2500 people with uncharitable feelings for the company. Spouses, SOs, kids of those let go...those people are sharing the details of how it was done, and some of those people are also influencers in their industries (or will be in the future).

The pirate ship goes on raping and pillaging, Captain LE seems to be clueless that the survivors can speak and tell the story.

The way ORCL whacked ~2500 on 9.1.17 created a lot more than 2500 people with uncharitable feelings for the company. Spouses, SOs, kids of those let go...those people are sharing the details of how it was done, and some of those people are also influencers in their industries (or will be in the future).

Maybe in the past, now just an old dude out of touch with the world. Sad! Should have moved on a long time ago

@lfo he understands the power of marketing in tech. he gets the spin component as well. he understands the 'crush to opponent component' - he understands the enterprise sales better than anyone else.

he lacks a lot, but he did get right so many fundamental concepts - hence the $200B market cap...

I am not a fan boy, but you gotta put things into perspective.

Oracle IaaS cloud is DOA. Baremetal Cloud developers are fleeing out and turnover is too high to replace.

LE had the foresight to understand that relational DBs were the way of the future: everything else he's plain clueless about. Unfortunately, his oversized ego prevents him from understanding this basic truth, thus the messes he creates

@PsebqsE-rag Jeff Bezos has vision for next 20 years. LE has shorter vision.

http://www.cbronline.com/news/cloud/he-said-what-5-things-larry-ellison-actually-said-about-cloud-4563323/

yes I am. I personally closed a 2M$ deal for StarOffice as a service in the SunCloud, and some smaller contracts for the IaaS-like offering.

but my point was not how succesfull was SunCloud. as for every revolutionary offering, it will not ramp up so fast, but if you have some clear vision, you will win in the long term. Amazon had a clear vision, believed in it, and executed very well, and now they are leaders. Oracle said that was a bad idea (no matter if the subscriptions were small or even not-existant). that's the bloody difference.

@PsebqsE-sjo - are you even aware of the actual subscription record for the Sun Cloud? I am. Almost no one subscribed. It was a complete flop.

@PsebqsE-sjo:

very well written. This proves the LE s?ckers have no clue about what they talk.

oracle is full of such idiots (managers, HRs) who bend before LE, MH and SC.

Before offering their back and a-- ...

Shame on them.

Sun Microsystems was actually the first large corp to understand the value of the cloud, and started the SunCloud few months BEFORE Amazon started its own AWS. Sun was technically and practically the first cloud available, with an IaaS and a SaaS offering.

And do you know who killed this cloud? Exactly, our dear old Oracle. The first decision after the acquisition in 2010 was to kill SunCloud since "cloud it's just an hype that will die in few years" as LJE said in one of the meeting I attended at that time.

How depressing that people has a so short memory.........

Sun saw the cloud and started preparing way before LE and TK even understood what the cloud was.

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2627862/application-development/oracle-hails-java-but-kills-sun-cloud.html

Imagine if LE and his goons had the sense to just stay out of our way and let us build a real cloud...

Failed to prepare for the cloud? Isn't the failure of our cloud to sustain growth the reason why our stock took such a beating after the last earnings call? Our hardware people made great hardware. Did our cloud people make a good cloud? Obviously not. OPC just doesn't work. Constant outages, slow AF, filled with bugs, and no resorces to scale at all. Many of those people let go a few weeks ago made products that changed the world back in the day. Oracle's cloud not only doesn't break any new ground, it can't even catch up with what is already out there.

@PsebqsE-oce: can you elaborate ?

OP posted about the 9.1.2017 layoff. Most of the people involved were from the SPARC team. What is the link with IaaS and PaaS ?

Also Implementation of IaaS/PaaS is based on Management direction.

The bunch of idiots execs have no clue in that area. They just know how to spell it.

And being thankful to MH is like saying to be thankful having shyphilis.

Much of this so called talent should be thankful MH gave them the chance to improve their technical skills to implement and support iaas/paas solutions, which they did poorly. Cleaning up is the logical conclusion in this area and, by the look of it, it also affects leadership position in his organizations, who underestimated or failed to prepare for the cloud.

Unlike you, I'm not s---ing on the LE teat. Oh they did, and LE may of jumped the gun by 4 to 5 years most say. Watch what unfolds, then you will understand why they did what they did, screwed up.

@PsebqsE-pij - are you talking Great War survivability?

No, they didn't.

Unlike you, Oracle execs know what's in store for the nation and world over the next 6 months.

Watch what unfolds, then you will understand why they did what they did.

2,500? 17,000 and growing