I'm going to file a class action lawsuit against Oracle for age discrimination. The list sent out on 9.1.2017 to be posted public.
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The list should be made public, why is Oracle so afraid of it being put out there? No names mentioned, just a lot of ages of older employees. When you do an average, it don't look good for Oracle. Class action lawsuit has 260 employees that turned down their severance pay. Payout will happen, might take 1 to 2 years. Oracle HR, please post more FUD....
Dear dumb dumb, aka @Pxz7HMT-1byl
Had a bit too much of whatever you are recreational-ly doing?
I never said anything about sending a C&D to a debt collector.
Guess someone skipped reading and comprehension in grade school huh?
The only thing I mentioned is getting a demand letter from a debt collector.
The demand letter is exactly an example of a threat to sue you by the debt collector if you don't fork over the $$$. I raised this an example to counter what was said earlier, that this can't be done when in fact it's done on a regular basis by a lot of ppl.
Just like you cannot randomly threaten people with lawsuits
Sure you can. This is a free country. You can sue anyone for
any reason. Ppl do it all the time. Corps do it all the time.
Whether it will be a viable endeavor is another matter.
I concur with @Pxz7HMT-beq. We can agree to disagree.
No need to bust a blood vessel arguing this.
I believe that MH and SC are among the worst CEOs in the history of capitalism. However, as someone over 50 who survived several rounds of layoffs, I do not believe that there is intentional firing of people based on age. There IS intentional elimination of entire organizations that consist primarily of long time Oracle employees.
Dear Unmitigated Moron:
You can send a cease and desist letter to a debt collector IF AND ONLY IF the debt collector's actions are illegal, and it can be shown that they are illegal.
And that is because the FCRA and FDCPA - look up in Google what these acronyms mean - explicitly define which debt collection actions are legal, and which ones are not legal, and explicitly give the consumer the right to send these cease and desist letters, but only in case of invalid or unlawful debt collection.
And it is not the 1st Amendment that protects your lawful cease and desist letter, it is the FCRA and the FDCPA.
You cannot send a debt collection cease and desist letter with a lawsuit threat if the debt is valid, or if the debt collector's actions are clearly within the boundaries of the law.
If you are stupid enough to mail a cease and desist letter for a valid debt, you will find your royal @$$ hauled in court by the debt collector, and you will lose at the first hearing.
Just like you cannot randomly threaten people with lawsuits just because they want to publish information that is already publicly available.
Are you really THIS stupid?
Guys - differning opinions. I get it.
We have an amazing anon board here. Think about it, all folks here are anon and can write whatever they want - ususally this turns ugly within a day or two, trolls move in, agression and passive-agression sets in.
We've managed to keep this board civil for years now, this tells you about the quality and professionalism of the folks that have worked and still work at Oracle.
Given this, please keep it civil - I get the disagreement just try to do an extra effort to keep it civil - I love coming here and I do it daily, it'd be sad to see all of this go.
Best.
OKK
No, it's not protected speech. Just like threatening to kill someone is not protected speech, or threatening to blow up a building is not protected speech.
And at any rate, the 1st Amendment only protects speech from retaliation by the government, not from private civil actions initiated by other private individuals.
Hello moron,
Ever heard of "cease and desist" letters (i.e. stop doing or we'll sue your a$$)? or demand letters (i.e. repay your debt or we'll haul your rear to court)?
etc?
Do some research before you show your ignorance.
No, it's not protected speech
Humm... care to cite to some legal cases to prove your point? Or a law that bans threatening to bring a lawsuit?
Threatening to sue someone is not the same as threatening to kill someone or to blow up a building.
If what you say is true, then the whole legal framework in the US would collapse and no one would be able to sue anyone.
You must be truely retarded.
Warn act doesn’t list the names of the individuals. Thus the information released would be confidential.
Threatening a lawsuit is protected speech
No, it's not protected speech. Just like threatening to kill someone is not protected speech, or threatening to blow up a building is not protected speech.
And at any rate, the 1st Amendment only protects speech from retaliation by the government, not from private civil actions initiated by other private individuals.
Double moron.
Threatening a lawsuit and not following-up on the threat is, in fact, actionable.
Threatening a lawsuit is protected speech and thus protected by the 1st amendment as far as I know.
You are the moron.
Guess we can all personally sue you for releasing our confidential information on here.
No, you can't sue anyone for making Oracle layoffs information public. This information has already been made public by Oracle as a WARN Notice. Those affected by the layoff will apply, or have already applied, for unemployment benefits. This is all public information.
So stop making idiotic empty threats about lawsuits.
Threatening a lawsuit and not following-up on the threat is, in fact, actionable. You're the moron who might end up being sued.
I was one of the 50 age group and don’t believe there’s a basis for a lawsuit for age discrimination. I’d have to agree, Oracle covered themselves with who were let go. I have no ill will towards Oracle and enjoyed my stay with Sun/Oracle and have moved on to my next adventure. There’s more places to go...be positive. Good luck!
IN my group the young went out first then the old ones
Guess we can all personally sue you for releasing our confidential information on here. Good luck with that old man.
By the way, hundreds and hundreds of kids were RIFed on the microelectronics action. So I don’t see your point.
This statement:
Finally the over-50 employees, as a group, are not as up to date on the newer technologies than the under-50. So Oracle can let you go based on skill set, or lack thereof.
Is b---s---.
The younger bucks at oracle are CLUELESS about current tech. Whoever the OP of that statement is is totally clueless and probably in Mgmt .
You say that Screven laid off more 50 yo people then any other age group.
One thing to consider is what percent of employees fall in each age group. If there are a lot of employees over 50 then chances are the over-50 crowd will be proportionally hit.
Another thing is in general the over-50 crowd makes more $$$ than the young bucks. This may have less to do with age and more to do with salary. RIFs are done to save money. You are an at-will employee and if Oracle needs to lay off staff they can legally make that determination on salary.
Finally the over-50 employees, as a group, are not as up to date on the newer technologies than the under-50. So Oracle can let you go based on skill set, or lack thereof.
Good luck with the lawsuit, I'd love to see these b@stards hung out to dry. However I suspect the Oracle attorneys who have got RIFs down to a fine art have carefully examined the layoff criteria to cover LE's a$$.
Nothing wrong with posting a copy of the WARN. Notice that oracle have you, nothing confidential about that, contrary to what oracle may imply by stamping confidential on it
File first and then consult with your attorney on what you can share.
I'd be careful about what's being posted, it's all a legal record and a paper trail. If you have a legal situation with Oracle posting here, unless is a public record, may adversly affect your chances in any legal proceeding.
What does this mean?
Can someone help me understand what's going on?