Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Is he the same one who held off sites in French Alps in Skiing season ?

Yep. This ex VP held off sites in Alps during skii season, did never provide any direction to team and was far removed from day to day ops, would indulge in all forms of crazy travelling - think it this way, if there was an Oracle customer in some part of the world, he would show up there, shake hands and leave - and never had any goals or objectives for his team. And, blatantly protected his sustaining empire in TVP. Out of 3 directors , he fired India and US , but TVP one was kept around. And so and so forth.

There is this exVp of Sustaining, spent over a few million in non-essential travels around the world. Would show up in Dubai if Sales team was making a small pitch , and would show up in Argentina the next day. Would show up for donuts in US.

Are you kidding me ? In services we couldn't travel. Why was he not reported to internal ethics line ? Is he the same one who held off sites in French Alps in Skiing season ?

And that's the entire purpose of this post, I think. How come some execs have been able to manipulate and still HR has not called their bluffs ?

While I don't know who you are talking about this VP , but this is pretty common place in Oracle. There are no checks and balancing, and usually one HR person is getting the recommendation of RIF list from one VP, and then getting it normalized with bunch of other folks for making sure that you hit the bottom-line numbers, don't have age amd gender discrimination. There is little oversight into national discrimination, so if this VP of yours was protecting his country, well s--- it up. There is no law against it, and you can keep being a sour looser. If you were so smart, how come you didn't become the VP ? So, s--- it up and move on. This site is not about rants, but for pending layoffs, and by the sounds of it, you have already been laid off.

double digits in TVP between the repeated rounds over the past year.

That's the point. Double digits in percentage could be between 10 and 99. And most of the Sustaining cuts happened in Blr , and US.

While folks in TVP are not be blamed, this ex VP thought he was smart enough to manipulate HR and protect TVP. True - but you don't need to be smart to manipulate HR, they loath checking emails, let alone introduce checks and balances.

And that's the entire purpose of this post, I think. How come some execs have been able to manipulate and still HR has not called their bluffs ?

The TVP office was mostly sustaining which got cut deeper in January while other teams shifted to other products instead of cutting so deep. Almost everyone in Manchester was laid off, and double digits in TVP between the repeated rounds over the past year. (If you think there’s anywhere close to 200 Systems people left in TVP you're deluded.)

There is this exVp of Sustaining, spent over a few million in non-essential travels around the world. Would show up in Dubai if Sales team was making a small pitch , and would show up in Argentina the next day. Would show up for donuts in US.

While everything can be sounds as essential, there was no ROI for his trips. And , he went over an beyond in protecting the most incompetent managers, and staff in TVP.

One of the major reasons given by LE and MH is that the per employee cost for SPARC was too high. This f---er made the entire boat sink due to his travel costs - equal to salary of half the division - and his blatant loss of direction and London bias during fire offs.

May he spend his days playing video games now.

What is next country to be affected by RIF?

Rumors say Germany will be affected in November.

It's not 2 out of 200. Roobish. Its more like 4. Come on lassy, time for tea.

The regional protectionism by Sr Execs was more than obvious. Hiding behind chaos, incompetent HR, some execs made sure that their bias and empire were unaffected. Alas, some of those folks have rolled /biked off into oblivion. Now let's see how much music can the surviving pied Piper can play to keep playing tag games with HR.

Of course, don't forget these are highly skilled employees !

“2 out of 200” - that’s simply not true. Complete rubbish.

"Systems Group engineering RIFs have hit teams in UK, Ireland, & Czech multiple times this year (January & September), so while some groups may be spared, it's certainly not a company wide thing."

Yeah, like 2 out of 200 folks in UK , where as more than half the teams in Blr and SCA is gone.

speaking of western EU, in some cases, like France or Germany, it is really very difficult to layoff people, that's why severance package for "voluntary" agreed resignement is so high. in other cases, like Italy, it is "normally" difficult, and so packages are a little smaller, but still in the years range. but in many other countries, like Spain, UK, Benelux, etc, it is quite easy (even if still a little bit harder than US), and packages are in the weeks range.

speaking of eastern EU, things are much easier for Oracle. that's one of the reasons why they are investing in Romania.

Systems Group engineering RIFs have hit teams in UK, Ireland, & Czech multiple times this year (January & September), so while some groups may be spared, it's certainly not a company wide thing.

old news

The example below was from France

Layoffs are slow in Europe, in example you must tell the government one year in advance the number of people to lay off. after 12 months you can exercise the layoff which means people go on garden leave until their notice period is over. This can take a while. other countries have other laws. In Europe the employee protection varies from country to country. In some it is strong, in a few others like romania it is as weak as in the US.

In Engineering, an ex VP managed to protect all his folks in UK. While folks in US and Blr were let go by over 50%, UK was not hit at all.

I know of a couple of really experienced guys in EMEA being riffed. So no, EMEA is not exempted. The trend is China/India for APAC, Romania for EMEA.

I guess it depends on your organization. In Support, EMEA has been hit really hard the past few years and we have lost many of Oracle's best engineers. There were a number of products where almost all the best support talent was concentrated in the EU. RS came in and RIFed everyone and replaced them with Romanians. Some of the Romanians are smart, but they are very inexperienced with Oracle technologies. This has totally crippled support delivery for a bunch of products.

This is why on paper it looks like EMEA is not getting hit. Their headcount is not dropping dramatically. But that is of little consolation if you are one of the people laid off or if you are a customer who can not longer get anyone from Support who knows how to help you.

It's a lot harder to get rid of people in the EU.

Romania is low cost, but why is UK shielded ?

I think you'll have to get used to it.

It looks as if the majority of support positions will be transferring to new hires in Romania.

Technically they are still EMEA jobs bearing in mind the original question "Regional bias towards the EU ?". Whether this could be construed as "the entire EU team is intact" is open to question !

I don't want to see that all of support people in EMEA except for Romania are gone in FY18.

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