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Business Reasons Why Oracle Cloud is Not Selling... And why you wont have a job for long

Just read an interesting article on why customers are reluctant to move to the "Oracle Cloud." Sadly the pivot to the cloud will impact every employee at Oracle. Starting with sales first. You wont be able to survive the train wreck. What used to work in the old days, is seen as anathema in the new cloud world. Customer's don't want vendor lock in. This is 100% what they get form Oracle.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2017/07/11/oracles-cloud-strategy-ruthless-or-byzantine/

Here are a few snippets:

Oracle Strategy #1: Locking in Customers

Customer lock-in has been an enterprise software vendor strategy since the dawn of enterprise software – and in the early days, the fact that software was proprietary and lacked open interfaces essentially required companies to buy much of their gear from the same vendor.

Today, in contrast, the prevalence of open source software and open APIs empowers companies to purchase the best tool for the job – and thus, vendors must compete on quality and overall customer value.

Not Oracle. In fact, customer lock-in is one of its explicit strategies. “In the product called Exadata, our engineered systems, we actually build the hardware and the software together to optimize it for Oracle IP [intellectual property],” explained Oracle co-CEO Mark Hurd on CNBC on October 26, 2015.

Engineering underlying hardware systems to optimize for the software running on them is the reverse of what most other vendors do. Oracle’s biggest nemesis in the public cloud space, AWS from Amazon.com AMZN +0.13%, would have never got off the ground if it optimized its infrastructure for its own software.

Oracle Strategy #2: Using Draconian Licensing Policies to Extort Customers

Oracle insiders have a term for this strategy: the ‘nuclear option.’ “It involves pressuring some of its customers to add cloud to their contracts that they neither want nor plan to use,” explained Julie Bort, chief tech correspondent for Business Insider. “It refers to something known as a ‘breach notice.’”

Here’s how the scheme works: Oracle licenses its software under complex – some would say ‘Byzantine’ – legal conditions. Complex software licenses are common for enterprise vendors, but Oracle takes this strategy further than most of its competition.

The secret: tricking customers into using features they haven’t licensed. “Oracle’s licensing policies are notoriously vague and confusing,” said Robert Sheldon, technical consultant writing for TechTarget’s SearchOracle. “One misstep and you can end up owing thousands of dollars in audit fees. Yet Oracle software, with its dazzling array of management packs and pre-installed options, is easy to misuse.”

Sheldon continues: “The challenge with Oracle software, in particular, is that product options and management packs are installed with the main products and enabled by default.”

Once a customer has fallen into this trap, Oracle sends it a breach notice, and then sends in a team to conduct a software license audit. Bringing a customer into compliance, however, isn’t Oracle’s primary goal – selling them services they may not want or need is. “These days, to make the breach notice go away — or to reduce an outrageously high out-of-compliance fine — an Oracle sales rep often wants the customer to add cloud ‘credits’ to the contract,” Bort said.

Oracle Strategy #3: Gouging Customers

Ask an Oracle employee – either current or former – and they will likely agree that the company has always had a ruthless focus on the bottom line. As a public company, its management’s remit is to maximize shareholder value, and if ruthlessness works, then so be it.

However, while many of its competitors put innovation and customer value high on their lists of strategic priorities, for Oracle, these core goals are secondary to delivering on the margins necessary to drive short-term profitability and growth.

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I left Oracle last year after a little more than 10 years, after being attacked with a series of dirty tricks, in engineering......................

Oh, give it a rest.

you think anyone cares about this crap you keep posting and reposting on every opportunity.

go get some help if you are really that damaged by your experience

blabbering on here aint going to help you none.

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Post ID: @8ymk+Q86V0R4

This thread needs to be read by more people

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Post ID: @7fbm+Q86V0R4

My dog has fleas and so does yours, what up dog. What What, this is phat.

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Post ID: @6fvo+Q86V0R4

The most recent post worried me a little.

With the greatest of respect - aren't you taking (your) employment a little too seriously ?

All this talk of attacking, thuggery, dishonesty, corruption - does Oracle (seemingly a hot bed of vipers) really deserve the thought/venom that you put into your post ?

As for being "deeply ashamed of ever having worked there" - for the types that are orchestrating the current RIF/misery, you'll never get them to feel the shame. For those innocents who are seriously impacted by the RIF, I'd suggest that this (the shame of it) should be the last thing on their minds.

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Post ID: @2hiv+Q86V0R4

This is a really good post. Before this I didn't understand exactly what the "auditing" was all about. Mostly a dirty trick to trap the customers into using things and making them look like they are doing something wrong.

I left Oracle last year after a little more than 10 years, after being attacked with a series of dirty tricks, in engineering. Code that I spent months writing, and I mean night and day and every weekend, was taken by another group who very carefully managed the small list of people who knew I was writing the code. It was done so they could lie and take credit for the work. Sabotaging and lying about me so badly in the process, that I quit out of frustration and disgust.

Unfortunately, the use of dirty tricks at Oracle is everywhere. Someone wrote "deception from sales to engineering". I would say it is much more than deception. It is a truly sick and disturbing place to work. Managed mostly by the lawyers that create all the tricks to play on the customers and then control how people are forced out of the company with lies and deceit. They make sure that people like me, who are extremely competent, are used and disposed of correctly. They make sure that anyone who has left the company has no recourse. They threaten people within the company to make sure that they do not stand up for anyone who has been abused, once that person has left.

I am deeply, deeply ashamed of ever having worked at Oracle. I had people warn me about Oracle's horrible practices. One person, a neighbor, had a consulting company that had come in competition with oracle consulting. He warned me about their dishonest practices. Another person who was in IT and used Oracle products warned me about how they had been treated and how horrible their support was, but I took a job at Oracle anyway.

I was sure that couldn't be a problem in the area where I was going, but it was. The entire company is intensely corrupt. Through and through, rotten to the core.

I am deeply, deeply ashamed of ever having worked there and I don't understand how the current employees can have any pride in their work when they are part of such a horrific company. I want to write applications that customers use because they are good applications that do something useful for the customer. That is not possible at Oracle. They are all about attacking and sabotaging anyone who wants to do good work. I don't see any way out of that for the company, knowing what I know about the people working there. The corruption is everywhere, directors, senior directors and employees acting as thugs for the management.

I guess if you are a thug and you take pride in your ability to attack fellow employees, I guess Oracle is the company for you. It's not the company for me. I urge anyone with a sense of decency to wake-the-hell-up and leave with your dignity intact.

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Post ID: @1sxn+Q86V0R4

You would think that the fees for breaching on-prem licenses would show up as on-peen revenues, but that would apparently be wrong thanks to the wonders of cloud washing, oh what a wonderful washing machine it is, god only kniws that the stock would be down in single digits without it

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Post ID: @eyb+Q86V0R4

Cloud washing is the name of the game

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