I spent some time last year training some of the "class of" members last year and in all honestly most were not the cream of the crop but a lot closer to the "bottom of the barrel". Some were enthusiastic but in all honesty most were as dumb as a rock and even after explaining the same concepts multiple times the light bulbs didn't turn on. Our competitors like SAP, Saleforce, Amazon and Microsoft must be salivating to compete with these clowns in the field.
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Absolutely, there is nothing to sell. Other than the aging DB.
Fusion is all crap, the cloud is crap. I am no longer at Oracle, whew!!
I had been working on UI and the idiot manager I was working for was trying to get me to join the server group and work on "security". That was a total setup.
If you know nothing about security, then put some poor person in charge of it who knows nothing about it, so you have someone to blame.
There is no software to sell, because the managers working on "cloud" are all scam artists and scum. They have no idea what they are doing and they are all in cover-your-a-- mode. Blame anyone you can for the security holes!! Good time to leave.
I agree with @RRkc2SZ-1zji. Its not about the college kid being able to do anything. It not about the college kid's smarts or drive. Its all a shell game. You swap one body for another. You take ANYONE who is cheap enough to show up to work 9 to 5.
What this tells me is its a scam. You keep warm bodies so no one investigates you. You keep the number of employees and racial mix about the same. You dump skills and knowledge, because success is not about selling. Its about cost cutting and re-labeling revenue.
If Oracle will have 40 billion in sustained support for the next decade, then who cares about new revenue? Swap out the employees and come up with creative ways of calling that support stream "cloud revenue." You cut costs, increase margins and earnings, you spin buzzwords, the stock goes up, you sell for a profit... and bail.
99% sure that's the plan. If you get audited you say "wow those sneaky college kids called it cloud revenue to make their bonuses.... shame on them."
Yeah, trying to blame the old-school sales people for not being able to sell is pretty unfair when you look at what they have been forced to try and get customers to buy. Fusion Apps is so horrible, even WE can't get it to run well internally for our own needs. Customers aren't stupid. They look at most of our offerings and realize that we are trying to shove overpriced garbage down their throats. Sure we can buy a few small cloud companies with decent software, but our leadership has no clue how to build and run a modern cloud at the scale our customers demand.
At the same time, I can't help but feel like those poor kids don't have a prayer of selling anything remotely. I don't know if they are smart or not, but no CIO or CTO is going to spend millions of dollars because some barely-old-enough-to-drink-a-beer kid cold called their receptionist.
The kids have nothing to do with the success or failure of Oracle. Ultimately its the decisions from the top about the Cloud Offering available from Oracle and its robustness. The fact is: they are behind the 8 ball and think that being a laggard in the market is an advantage b/c MH thinks first movers die off. He cites all kinds of stats and facts about the top S&P 500 companies over the ages and who is no longer in existence. He has flat out said that Amazon will die off or fall behind in Cloud b/c its not their core business and blah blah blah on and on MH ad nauseum. The reality is that MH obviously does not know Jeff Bezos. As for SOFTWARE that is "Cloud Ready" pretty much ALL the enterprise APPS that Oracle owns are NOT Cloud Ready or anywhere close to being world-class cloud enterprise capable.
Kids or no kids. Its not about them. Its about what you have to sell and if its worth keeping or changing out for something more modern and cost efficient. The best thing going for Oracle are the laggard dinosaur Enterprise clients (who've been named in all their big press releases this past year or two)...these companies are even slower to adopt cloud than Oracle so they cling to one another. That will give Oracle about 10 more years of life. Then Larry will be dead or in the nursing home and Mark wont' care. Safra will be at Disney pretending to be Minnie.
If the current model is so successful why is Oracle falling behind others? Something has to change and hopefully things will improve with this new model. If not, the Executive team will need a change. Sorry that people will be impacted but they are highly compensated by Oracle. Let's not bad mouth the kids and give them a chance to succeed. Oracle will move on with or without you.
wE iz not garbage. We r very stabil geenuises.
You get the garbage that you pay for
They are college kids. They don't have the knowledge or the experience required to sell enterprise software. There's a story going on in the Austin hub about one of these kids asking "What's this Erp stuff?" during a meeting.
You know, E-R-P? The thing that is kind of half of our business...?
Couldnt agree more
They are only as good as the company culture, their training, and their experience. They have no experience. They are not going to get real training at Oracle other than rah-rah, Oracle is the best, we're better than AWS. They are being taught to be arrogant if they weren't already. The ones I worked with certainly were arrogant and had no problem selling on-prem licenses to a customer who had an active Cloud deal with my field sales group. This is the opposite of what Oracle sales was supposed to be doing, but they didn't care. I'm not sure what MH thinks these bozos are going to sell. Maybe a little Netsuite to small businesses? Given the enormous complexity of Oracle's products and lack of functionality in Oracle cloud, they are going to be mercilessly beaten by the competition.
Oracle only hires A players.