Yes, Oracle screwed you by letting you go. But they did give you a generous severance and there's no way you can say your RIF took you by surprise. We all knew layoffs were coming. Also, you were an at-will employee and those were the terms of your employment. At-will means you can quit at any time, and they could RIF you at any time and for any reason. If you didn't care for that arrangement you should have joined a Union. But I assume most of those posting here were professionals earning a high salary, so you don't need a Union. So move on with your life...find a new job. Just posting more silly crap on this board does nothing but allow Oracle to continue to screw you because you can't let go. The best revenge is to go find your next gig.
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Some job postings are there for PR, some are very old and were never deleted because that’s too much trouble, some are just fishing expeditions, a very few might be real and still active - but those are not hiring/ headcount authorizations, just postings. So yeah, ignore them
The vast majority of job openings on Oracle’s website are completely and totally fake news.
Why lay me off in one area when I could easily perform in a whole 'nother area? And are the job openings then fake news?
Most people here already found their next gig and left voluntarily for much greener pastures. Meanwhile, Oracle continues to transform into a very bleak desert. It's apparent people like the OP are already hallucinating from the heat.
apparently the truth that came to light last summer through this board upset highly ranked individuals at Oracle and also caused a lot of talent to leave.
I have a lot of doubt as to whether anyone important ever looks at anything posted here. There are lots of comments like this and comments about HR and other people putting things out here, but most of what is pointed to, looks too lame to be Oracle HR or any official post from Oracle. I suspect no one really looks at what is here. This can all be dismissed as disgruntled employees, and I think that is all that Oracle is officially interested in saying.
Fake news travels up the management chain.
Blame travels down the management chain.
Oracle's destruction of its on-premise tools to try to force customers to the cloud is the beginning of the end. Customers will not go to Oracle's "cloud", they will look elsewhere.
If you are going to destroy the tools customers are using and expect them to pick up the "cloud" tools in their place, you have to make "cloud" tools that work. It's possible that the upper level management really doesn't know what crap the Oracle "cloud" is. They just take the word of the "yes"-men managers under them who are willing to say anything to the director/vp above them in order to cover up any problems that exist.
Fake news travels upwards in the chain of management.
They may have some things in common with Sears, but Sears never went out of their way to screw over their customers. I suspect Oracle's demise will be quicker. Once the customers have alternatives they will leave Oracle in droves.
Oracle is the Tech version of SEARS.
Dying a slow, painful, eventual death.
WATCH: http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-43587975/sears-the-slow-death-of-a-us-retail-giant
https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/last-days-of-sears-what-its-like-to-shop-at-dying-store.html/?a=viewall
It’s a similar tale... its just AMAZONS Cloud computing rather than AMAZONS internet retailING.
Big red could slowly bleed out over years and years.
LE is the ultimate narcissist, having managed oracle since the inception he wants it to die when he does, thus this painful decline. There is no future at oracle just this long painful slide towards the end. May be many more years yet, but there will be no revival here. It’s down, down, day by painful day
Still having trouble filling the seats at the Oracle lakeside dialing for cloud dollars building in Austin?! LOL.
OP...your first mistake was assuming that most posters here haven’t found their next gig. My family member has and it’s a higher paying gig with a company that treats its employees like human beings, not interchangeable widgets. But we still know people who work at Oracle and/or are hoping prospective ORCL employees do their homework before accepting a gig with the company. There are better gigs out there. The Oracle cloud is for the most part a financial engineering scam and the company is too poorly managed to turn the ship around.
There is a leadership vacuum at Oracle.
It comes down to the management. When things are headed downhill fast like they are, and no management changes are even attempted, what does that say?
Can it be that the cloud is intended to fail for some reason?
You have gotten it completely right, @SA2LDQj-1wcs.
It's a management problem, at least what I know of what was going on in engineering before I left. It's a real mess. A lot of incompetent managers who are never held responsible for what happens and therefore they stay forever and destroy more and more.
Without a major management shakeup there will be no working Oracle cloud.
Oracle is such a miserable place!
Best thing that could have happened. Didn’t realize how miserable I had become and had grown accustomed to. Kind of like boiling a frog... Life is Good now 👍
Well LE, this attempt at misleading and misinforming was not very successful, now was it? And therein lies the problem. People are not dumb, discerning the truth about oracle is not hard, they only one you’re fooling LE is yourself. You should stop this self delusion. Try some truth. Then again, with all the cloud washing on Oracle’s financial that may be a little late. Oh, the tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.
I'm a former employee who left voluntarily to retire early. I had planned to work for at least 2 more years but got so fed up with bad management that I decided to retire. I got tired of impossible deadlines, constant changes of directions, working crazy hours to try to meet a deadline and then throwing away months of work when projects (which were supposedly critical) got cancelled. I left because bad management made my work life miserable. I think Oracle is doomed because it is so badly managed. It didn't start out that way, but as things got tougher, the management response has been worse and worse. I worked on Oracle cloud for 2 years, and I saw that it's mostly BS. I worked a lot with PDIT, and I know it's the most badly managed group I encountered in my 40 year career. PDIT has 3 priorities, cut costs, cut costs, and cut costs. The result is a disaster of down time and bad performance.
I follow this board because I still have friends at Oracle and want to see if things are turning around. It's very obvious which posts are real and which are fake. It's still not too late for Oracle to turn around, but not with the current management.
Current employee, to me this board had provided very insightful information for the last year since I began to visit. I have to say, the obvious derailing HR type of posts were more and more prevalent in the last few months, apparently the truth that came to light last summer through this board upset highly ranked individuals at Oracle and also caused a lot of talent to leave. The powers that be decided to fight it by spamming it, little do they know that Oracle employees on other review sites (not as anonymous as this one), along with LinkedIn, became more vocal along the same line. Apparently even the stock market figured it out.
BTW, OP, you don't have to say "Open post"... everything is in the open here, as opposed to your f'ed up management.
You sound like Clinton calling voters despicable. You suggest that Oracle employees are pigs wallowing, but we are not the one at the trough.
If the grass is greener outside Oracle then you would move on, but you like to wallow in self pity and envy of the management.
The OP focused on ex Oracle employees, and that is why their analysis is a failure. They missed the mark there.
Those ex employees have already moved on, and they have found that other employers are paying more, much more than Oracle. It is not the ex employees that read this thread that you have to worry about, it is the present employee staff, and their anxiety concerning future cuts.
Our new facilities are nice, but who will sit in those seats?
The truth hurts
OP: GO AWAY!!
Oracle and LE two dinesours slowly dying together of old age! How poetic!
Oracle is a dinosaur. They may be able to purchase their way out of obsolescence for a while.
Oracle has itself to blame for all the bad rap it gets in this board and elsewhere — it all comes done to oracle refusing to be transparent about what it’s doing with employees and investors. Everything at oracle is a big secret - they can’t even bring themselves to publicly announce the layoffs. Lame LE! Just plain lame and dishonest! And sthe oracle gets to reap what us saws - by creating an information vacuum, it invited the rat of us to fill it. So naive LE! The most elementary class on PR would have taught you that nature and ma kind abhors a vacuum and rushes in to fill it. Do share the straight scoop. Buy no LE just can’t bring himself to do that, can you?
The OP by the way sound like an oracle HR employee, trying in a different way to shut down the discussion on this site. Another failed strategy LE! Share the straight scoop!
Really ? I thought that layoffs were fake news ?
That was I was said on that board ?
@SA2LDQj-tfl, your post is very spot on.
That said, I do not think many of the posters here are angry because they were laid off because the business model is changing.
The business model is changing, but now there is nothing real in Oracle; no real Cloud, no real current contracts, no real future. And even the growth in traditional business it is not generated anyhow for the explanations LE, MH and SC are giving analysts and investors. All is misleading, bogus, pretended now.
Except you are somebody without any ethics, it is hard you want to see all this around, day by day. And, if you have some ethics, sooner or later someone from the other side of the ethics pond will find out and get you out of the way....
I think a lot of the posters on this board are human resource shills, friends of Larry paid to post and also investors who are looking for Oracle scoop. This board has turned into a cesspool of dis-information put forth by company hacks. Oracle will make changes (including layoffs and "reorganizations" et al) at the end of Q4 (May 2018). This is not fake news. And how or when it happens keeps getting kicked around b/c of a lack of clear leadership in any given group within Oracle. All the "fake cloud" posts are true. Oracle has no real cloud data center network or "true cloud" set up. But that said, they are cooking the deals to make it look like they are making money at cloud and resurrecting client relationships that have been on the rocks in their "old hardware and DB licensing / support model." This is Oracle's chance to retool itself and get rid of the old and expensive and change out with a lower cost model and quality of service. That's ok, to keep the company alive, but not exactly great for employees, new or old. If you need to start working somewhere in tech and dont have any skills, Oracle is NOW a great option. It used to NOT be a good option for THAT segment of employees.
If you are top notch and have 10+ years left to work in your career, you best move on.