Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

"Sad Sac" = no accountability, it's not my fault mentality, I don't deserve the event, it's everyone else's fault.

Move on, take redponsibility for ones self and support your sad existence.

Listen getting RIF'd, laid off, fired, placed on a PIP is never a good thing no matter ones age. But.....what you do as a result is important. Complain all you want, you're still unemployed.

I'm 60 yo, 37 years with Honeywell and now happy as I've ever been being retired. Thanks Phx. Aero. And the miserable way you handled the working remote issue.

I made it work socan you.

All the best.

If by "Sad Sac", you mean "a wise older employee who was smart enough to go to work for a company that offered a pension, a 401K with matching money and then got paid a bonus to retire", then yeah, I'm a Sad Sac.

You on the otherhand should know that you are working for a company that offers no pension, has cut back on the 401 match and does not value your neck tatoo one iota. Wise up. You and your room mates have a bleak future retirement even if you do split the rent.

-6tdb, you sound like a real sociopath. As such you are excellent management material, if you aren't already a manager at Honeywell.

6tdb -

I am going to bet you are one of the younger employees who learned everything they ever needed to know in school (and made sure everyone knew that), and have never had an older employee offer to mentor you. Very sad for you. You will eventually gain experience, but I wonder if you will learn wisdom. One day you will be a "Sad Sac" yourself, and I'll bet you'll gin up the biggest sob story ever concocted when it happens to you.

Oh you poor ole men. You guys are sad sacs. You got compensated for your work ( when you worked) and you as well as Honeyhell could have said "see ya" at anytime and now you complain. Writing has been in the wall for at least 3 years and you're still sitting around complaining.

NEXT!

It's not only what they are doing -- tossing loyal older employees out on the street -- it is how they are doing it. Phonied up reviews, toss you in the elbow, making you look and feel like a worthless slug. Why they are doing this is easy to explain. The lawyers need to document under-performance in order to justify pushing you out the door and avoid age discrimination lawsuit judgments. The whole thing stinks and people treated this way have every reason to call Honeywell out on it. I wonder what kind of person could work as a manager at Honeywell and go along with this sh^t. I have seen some managers give up that role, to their credit.

2pxs- what are you, some HR troll? Sheesh, get over yourself.

People should be angry over companies that get rid of people over 55- there are way too

many hard working, long time loyal employees who get screwed near the end of a great career. It’s not right when over 90% of people laid off are over 50. Especially when the company is doing so well and must hire replacements.

If you are so blind that you can’t see that, then you are either a troll, or under 40 and think this won’t happen to you. Good luck buddy.

Find someone else to be angry at due to YOUR circumstances. It may stink but stop your crying and go do something about it.

I moved to a lower cost region knowing what i had to work with . You may need to make adjustments so what's wrong with that? Dont think or expect everything should remain the same just because you're not making the big bucks. Look at options and work it to your families advantage.

@1uri. It’s someones ‘fault’ for thinking, planning, and wanting to work until 65? Really?

I have saved over 10% continually for 34 years in my 401k, and at age 59, even though I have a healthy amount, plus pension, it’s still not enough to get me through retirement- not 5-6 years early. I do live in a high cost of living area- but my biggest concern is the cost of health insurance. Plus I do have a spouse to ‘share’ this with.

Everyone’s situation is different, don’t assume just because you have enough to make it to age 93 everyone else should as well.

Closer to 65 than 55, but yeah I'm in the situation now where I can work if I want to, not because I have to. A lot of that is possible because of pensions, something the newer employees can't count on. Pinch your pennies, kids, and max out your 401k. Also, get the hell out of Honeywell while you're still marketable because they will lay you off for no reason in your 50s.

It's not what is wrong here where ever here is.

I did it after a divorce and prepared to retire at 62. It still worked for me at 59.

With Honeywell pension and saving 8% - 10% for 37 years I'm fine then throw in SS at 62, I won't hit principle in the 401 until age 93 so not sure if you saved all this time you still need to replace the lost I come.

No ones fault but your

@1wkq. All I spent extra money on was a family. No second home, no rv or boat, no lavish vacations, no fancy cars. Just a family. I did save well but always planned to retire at 65, not 59. I worked hard and did everything right. There is nothing wrong with planning to retire at 65! I liked my job-

Your remarks are so far off base- you are a clear example of what’s wrong here.

Maybe if you hadn’t spent money on campers, RV’s, extra homes in the mountains, extra cars & trucks you could retire in your late 50’s. So many people would vine in on the weekends with thier RV or boats telling everyone they were leaving right after work to go play. They had come in on a Saturday just to make ends meet. Now they are paying for it.

Your fault no one else’s do go to Big Macs and get a 10.00 hr. Job and stop complaining better yet , break out those pics of your RV or extra home or Hummer and reminisce.

There are also some very valuable Systems Engineers that won't be RIF'd no matter what. The bottom line is that if your job can be done by someone else cheaper, than your at risk for elimination.

Most people think they're invaluable and over estimate their contribution. Personally I haven't seen anyone get the axe that couldn't be replaced or their job get absorbed by others. This is how most large corporations function now. Stock holders are king.

If you're an RF Engineer, you become more valuable with age. There are no "good" young RF Engineers.

I talked to some engineering students a little while ago. I mentioned I was an engineer at Hw aero. They said they heard that was a horrible place to work and that the management is the worst.

@1sci. Same thing happened to me. Always in block 1-2, in over 20 years here, I never had a bad or even mediocre performance review. Then I turned 56. Got put on pip for made-up reasons (I had proof allegations were false but HR told me my proof did not matter. The only thing that mattered was my manager wanted to PIP me).

I am now nearly 60- got laid off (finally) in March. Survived PIP but knew my days were numbered.

I would tell anyone. Do not trust anyone above you at Honeywell. Get out while you are young enough to be fully marketable. Otherwise they will toss you to the curb when you are beyond the age of being a long term desirable hire.

This company s---s. Big time.

Over 50 and had first below-average performance review EVER since starting to work at age 15. Greatest thing? I will be leaving HW for another opportunity. I got everything out of HW that I wanted so they will have a couple bucks after I leave for their revenue bucket. This chapter will be over soon!! Stay positive and good things will happen. Good luck to all!!

@SDHCIk5-tqh Dude...with the way they cut things loose, you shouldn't either of them anywhere near you balls.

Good luck. Honeywell just gets dumber every year. Their logic made no sense to me after 30+ years. I just retired. Loving it.

@qhk. Maybe the op’s reality isnt everyone’s- which could be said about everyone, right? But the harsh truth in the good old USA is that if you are over 55 and lose your job, you are not nearly as ‘employable’ as you would be at 45. Look it up.

I’m glad there are some out there who get lucky and have a different reality, but that is not the norm.

I’m in a high tech area, have had a great work history, always ranked high and have awesome recommendations. I am 59. Since being riffed the beginning of March I have applied to over 50 jobs, contact or otherwise. I do not care or expect to get the same pay. I just need to get to 66 and full retirement. The jobs I am applying for I am well qualified. My resume and cover letters are professionally done and look great.

To date, I have had one rejection. Other than that. ZERO response. It is a little depressing. Just saying.

Good luck and blessings to all.

HON and Dairyass can s--- my balls

@SDHCIk5 - Sorry to hear things aren't going well for you. But, the reality is that your reality isn't everyone's reality.

I'm about to find out one way or the other. My RIF date is coming up in a few weeks and when it occurs, I'll have just started my 33rd year with the company. And, I will turn 56 not quite two months later.

I know that I'm not going to get booted out of here and just tap dance into a commensurately paying job anywhere but, then again, I don't need commensurate pay. I just need 'enough'. ENough to pay the bills, keep the lights on and roof overhead. The wife and I have saved and have done a good job of having money put back, and we'll be ok I think.

At this point, I'm not even planning to look in this industry (aero) anymore. We're going to take a few beats, get my head back around me and, hopefully, find something to do that doesn't make me feel like I'm the lone ox yoked to a fully loaded wagon and being whipped to move it faster every day.

Maybe you won’t get a job with the same salary,but there is work to be had via contracting or even in other fields to bridge you to retirement. And besides, the stress level of being out from under Honeywell and the way they run this company is worth a lot as well. Keep looking and trying. It will get better post Honeywell.

Yep, Honeywell is s low lfe outsourcing company that can kiss my American patriotic a--!!!

Not TRUE! I was “LetGo”, Retired due to the WFH stupidity and I was 59 YO, been with Garrett, Signal, Allied-Signal & Honeyhell for 37 years . Made a great living , invested, saved and even when my manager told me I had to drive 2 hours each way or be fired, I told her “ no way” not do I’ll retire first. She said you can’t retire it’s just to costly. Well I did and I’ve never looked back. Even divorced 20 years ago and remarried 5 years ago I still do very well.

Don’t listen to these folks blaming everyone but themselves . NEXT!