Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Could be someone else who just made that up. You can't tell who is replying to anything.

That person has probably realized that and is no longer posting on here.

And yet that person or others point to non-existing policy docs. Go figure.

I suspect that someone was told by their manager, that they have to tell their manager before they look around. Or they heard it from someone else, that they had to do that and just assumed that was real, when really, it's probably made up by the management around them to deter people from moving.

More management lies and manipulation, same old, same old.

That person has probably realized that and is no longer posting on here.

Don't assume that because someone has a title, like director or VP, that they are telling you the truth. There's a lot of corruption in the management, people manipulating employees with lies about whatever they think will help them. Always think for yourself, double-check everything and don't trust the management.

"Are you making stuff up @2lye?"

I'd say that just about everything posted in the Oracle section of this blog is made up.

You can find this in the Hiring and Transfers policy under Section 8. The third sentence deals with this.

What country? I see nothing in the US or India Employee handbook like this. In fact, the India handbook specifically says that you can chose to not keep your current manager informed of the process at the beginning.

For reference:

go to my.oracle.com,

click on "Human Resources"

click on "Oracle Policies" from the "Policies" menu

click on "Employee Handbooks"

click on "India Employee Handbook"

click on "Transfers" from "Employment Policies" menu on the left

"The employee may or may not chose to keep the current manager informed of the interest."

Are you making stuff up @2lye?

You can find this in the Hiring and Transfers policy under Section 8. The third sentence deals with this.

Fake news alert! HR is taking break from lay offs to argue with anonymous post.

HR please get back work. You have to decide who to lay off May 31.

If the claim is a policy, back up your claim by pointing to a specific chapter and section of the policy.

If you are told by the hiring manager of the groups of your transfer target to do this first, it's probably just an excuse or precaution. Ask HR about this policy and then feedback to your target group. If HR nods the policy, ask them for the reference to such rules. If HR gave grey area response, ask them about discretion authority policy of each individual group

@SRcrm7B-1yor no need to post confidential information. Just a simple description of where to look. If a rule like that was really there, why can none of us find it?

Sometimes your manager wants to get rid of you and you can make a move - it happened to me !

I believe @SRcrm7B-lrl is telling the truth. You on the other hand not so much. The same complaint about transfers has appeared many times on this board.

If you’re so brave, go ahead and post confidential information here.

@SRcrm7B-lrl is full of it. Never heard of that policy and have personally moved groups twice. If we're all just mistaken, he or she can point us to where the rule is in the employee guidelines.

This strikes a nerve with many of us because it is known to be true.

Guess we can forgive your ignorance on the topic about how transfers work at Oracle.

You obviously haven’t worked there!

Thanks for being generous, but I not only have worked there, I still work there.

So... how about accepting my bet: point me to the official policy. Got a link?

Oracle HR practices are the worst and completely devoid of any ethical considerations, their only purpose is to ensure that employees are treated like pure sh--! LE really could care less about the people who work at oracle as could the other stooges. Worst place i’ve Ever worked at by favors of magnitude?

It has been this way at Oracle for years. No, not every company is like this. Some companies require managers to allow the transfer and stop them from blocking it.

I was told my transfer was killed at Oracle because my Group VP and the VP of the other organization had a gentleman’s agreement not to “poach” employees. Little did I know that. I found out after going through multiple rounds of interviews, getting offered the job and discussing compensation with the new manager, and after having notified both my manager and director. It goes without saying I did not see any promotions or raises after that point.

You said: “This is not accurate, etc.”

It’s totally accurate. Oracle requires employees to notify their current manager before communicating with any internal hiring manager about transfers.

Guess we can forgive your ignorance on the topic about how transfers work at Oracle. You obviously haven’t worked there!

The rules governing transfers at Oracle require you to notify your manager

before you speak with any manager outside your group.

This is not accurate. And also completely impractical.

In 15 years I have never seen that happen, and I bet you can’t point to this policy on the HR website or employee handbook.

You have to be careful. You really have to discuss with an outside manager first, regardless of what you are told about any formal rules.

When you move, the new manager will be happy, but the old manager will be pissed, unless he was looking to get rid of you or lay you off, which is always possible.

When you move you should try to move to an area completely outside of the one you are in, because if the two managers have to work together afterwards there will be trouble.

I was at a different company and was recruited by a manager in another group. He was literally waiting outside a meeting room for me to ask me if I would be interested in moving into his group. I did. I didn't really think about it before I did it, it just seemed like a good option for me. But afterwards my old manager had it in for me and I had to finish a project that I was working on for him, so he made things difficult.

The old manager ended up inviting me to his office for a "talk". He invited an HR person to watch as he screamed at me for an hour about nothing. I went into the CFO's office (I was in IT) to complain about the harassment, the HR person actually backed ME up. The old manager left the company the day after I complained.

I can't be sure I was the cause of that, but it could be I was the last straw for that manager and the CFO had already had enough of him. HR does work at other companies.

I have not had any backup from HR at Oracle, but there are other companies where HR actually does something for the employees. Yet another good reason to leave Oracle.

Give me a freaking break. This is no different than what goes on at any other company.

And who are you kidding? If you were a manager and hired someone who said they wanted to work for you and you come to find out they are looking to transfer to greener grass, even within the company - I doubt you would be that pleased.

You want a pay raise? You want a transfer? Don’t bother! Just count yourself lucky to work at Oracle.