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18c launch - A non-event in Technology

18c launched on 16 Feb 2018 - It was a non-event, caused zero stir in the industry. This was LJE's battle cry and no one even cares. Does LJE even understand ORCL is no longer relevant?

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Most customers on 11g means 80%

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Post ID: @5lmb+Sac8rbY

The Oracle Database is not "self tuning" and does not autoscale. Putting it in the "Cloud" does not change this. Oracle's solution for scaling is RAC, which requires extremely expensive licensing and two networks.

The "Oracle Autonomous Database Service" looks like a re-branding of the Oracle Exadata Express Service. Sure, if you disable all tuning features (and many other database features) and lock down the database in a black box managed service, I suppose you can consider it to be "autonomous." Many applications will not run on the new service (which is not available yet) as they use features not supported by the service.

I do NOT believe that "machine learning adaptive performance tuning" is anything other than hype. 12c introduced adaptive optimization, where the optimizer could change its mind during execution. Most customers turned off this feature as it made queries slower. Any self-tuning features, if they are actually real, could take a long time and a couple of releases to work properly.

The "Autonomous Data Warehouse" is a response to Google Big Query. The idea is that you simply create a table, load data, and start running SQL queries - without configuring or tuning anything. It cannot possibly work like Big Query because it uses Exadata appliances as its backbone, not the massive compute and storage infrastructure of Google. Scaling will be severely limited, and the Exadata appliances are very expensive. It cannot autoscale compute, other than by adding new nodes to the RAC cluster, which is going to be kludgy and expensive.

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Post ID: @2qqm+Sac8rbY

Right, so they also skipped 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17. They did for a reason, to make it look like this was some kind of major release... autonomous database.... LOL !!

Oracle crap again. Confuse the customer, that should be Oracle's motto.

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Post ID: @2zuq+Sac8rbY

Oracle is now going to one "major" release every year. The old problem was that the "R1" or "dot one" releases (10.1, 11cR1, 12cR1) rarely got implemented because customers waited for the "R2". Next year's release will be called 19. There will be no more R1s or R2s.

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Post ID: @2qhc+Sac8rbY

No one cares about database anymore!

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Post ID: @2cwl+Sac8rbY

Just another way to get money from confused customers. Hype the autonomous db, change the number of the next db release and people will assume it's the autonomous db. When really the autonomous stuff is not in the db at all. Oracle scam.

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Post ID: @1bwj+Sac8rbY

Just an effort to put some new lipstick on an old pig. No reason for anybody to waste time and effort upgrading. Better to spend time getting off oracle DB

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Post ID: @1qap+Sac8rbY

Irrelevance is overwhelming

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Post ID: @1gns+Sac8rbY

according to the article, 18c by itself isn't autonomous, 18c as a Cloud Service is. But the autonomous appears to just be Oracle shim sham on the back end

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Post ID: @ikt+Sac8rbY

Apparently, this 18c is nothing but a patch-set. Nothing new except the number.

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Post ID: @nhj+Sac8rbY

This is interesting:

https://oracle-base.com/blog/2018/01/03/oracle-database-18c-is-not-an-autonomous-database/

So did they just pick the number "18" out of the air? Trying to make it look like it is super, super advanced? Tricking customer again? Shame, shame on Oracle, LOL.

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Post ID: @sxw+Sac8rbY

The autonomous database is funny. Almost as funny as machine learning. Ask product management how the machine learning algorithms are applied. You'll find it is access to information that a human can use to apply their knowledge and make decisions concerning the actions they should take. Why is autonomous not available to customers to self manage? Maybe the autonomous part is a bunch of cloud ops folks applying all that machine learning. Autonomy through managed services maybe?

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Post ID: @lvv+Sac8rbY

Most customers are still on 11g, let alone 12c.

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