Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

The database area may be the only place in Oracle with real developers. The people I worked with were mostly scam artists.

The database team has really good developers

The way people are bailing I expect to be a senior architect (IC-6) in the next 6 months. I've only been out of college for a year.

LOL, finally Oracle is promoting people again!

The way people are bailing I expect to be a senior architect (IC-6) in the next 6 months. I've only been out of college for a year.

Oracle is a waste of any competent person's time. Get out and retain some dignity.

Someone a while ago posted they were helping an incompetent group because the people there didn't know what they are doing.

Guaranteed, that group is saying to their management, that it's YOU that doesn't know what you are doing. This person posted that the incompetent group kept writing bugs that were not real bugs and they were helping them understand the product in answer to the bugs. Guaranteed they are saying to their management that those are real bugs and the reason you are helping them is to fix your bugs.

I got tasked to help another group of complete idiots. I was supposed to improve the application in a specific area. One of the manager's s----ups in that group then did something unbelievably stupid in that specific area. I told them I thought that was a very bad idea. I believe this was sabotage. Even though I knew they had done that, the management above them didn't, and I strongly suspect that they told the upper level management that it was my suggestion.

You can't trust anyone. When the level of incompetence crosses a certain threshold, then the incompetent don't look for help in an honest way. They are afraid for their own jobs and they are intent on making sure that the competent people who are honestly trying to help them get all the blame. There are large numbers of developers and managers who are so incompetent, that I do not believe they will survive at any other company, and I think they know that.

There is no way out, once the threshold is reached. It's all over with at Oracle. Nothing to see here, just move along.

If you are a good developer, get out of the company. Don't let the scum there use you for their advantage. The only way the scum stays afloat is by s---ing the life out of everyone else. Leave, and let the scum finally sink to the bottom where it belongs.

To @T9igFKu-ogz

Yes, ideas are stolen and used. The best people are never rewarded, they are just used as a source of information so other people can take credit for things they did not do.

Someone took my code and filed a patent for it while my manager looked the other way. I'm sure that was intentional. Managers trade favors with each other. It's like working in the mafia, only total loyalty to the manager is rewarded. Intelligence is used for someone else's benefit and the intelligent are then discarded. It's a system that is doomed to failure in the end.

I had some great ideas and a spectrum of inventions. I tested the water by exposing a tiniest one and got absolutely no respect and only ridicules. 4 years went by and my idea, the tiniest one I exposed, was used by an Indian team and was announced in an all hands on TK org and that Indian team was made a model.

I left Oracle soon after. Too bad I was forced to rejoin Oracle later. I tested the water again and same disrespectful treatment. rest assured that I won't stay long enough to see the day that another team once again taking the credit. I would bring everything else to grave but not Oracle.

@T9igFKu-auq

If you are a good developer and still working at Oracle, you are in the wrong place. Get out while you can, don't wait for a package.

We partner are investlot in oracle database migration and will get jackpot soon.

You are really in the right area. Customers will be moving away from Oracle "in droves"..... guaranteed.

Good people are leaving or have left Oracle dev. Some of these leave voluntarily because they see the writing on the wall and want to work at a good company on good products.

Some of us, though, were actually attacked and driven out of the company. In my case I had written a very complicated web app that only I could do, since I had the experience and the skill set to write it. I was sabotaged and attacked by a group that wanted control of that application, so I left.

Since that time, the application has died completely. The group lacked the skills to continue with the work and the manager and his thugs were too unbelievably stupid to even know they would not be able to continue, as I made it look so easy. I had offered to train people in the group and I would have had no problem continuing to work with them, so long as I was given the credit due to me and was not actively being sabotaged at every turn.

Oracle has lost in this area, as that application is now completely dead and it will never see the light of day. The group that took it and has now failed to be able to continue the work, is now saying that maybe they just don't need one of those applications after all, since they can't honestly admit how unbelievably inept they are. I assume also that they blame me for leaving to the management above, even though they know that they deliberately drove me out.

I know of another man who was attacked and sabotaged in a similar way. He was brilliant. The people around him were jealous and unbelievably stupid.

So, it's not just that good people are seeing the light and leaving. There are groups that actively target and attack exceptional developers to get control of areas in development. Unfortunately, the thugs that are left are then incapable of doing any real work.

HR is complicit in supporting the people who plan and instigate attacks like this. People who do attacks like this take that into consideration when they sabotage the good developer under attack, doing things like actively working to get the developer upset and then recording comments they make out of context to provide to HR.

Oracle development is like a junior-high school gone wrong. The idiotic and psychotic thugs are in charge. The brightest kids are under attack, beaten up and tied up in the basement, while the thugs make up stories about how awful they are, to tell the teachers and administration, who are completely clueless about what's going on at the lower levels of development.

So long as the thugs have control and are inventive enough in their stories, none of the administration ever look in the basement.

There is no hope for Oracle. Oracle development has been overrun and there is nothing left except to find a way out. There are good companies on the outside. Leave the thugs behind to live in their Country Club where they force other people to do their work for them. There is no reason to be at Oracle.

True indeed. Skillful people are leaving, thanks to management centric model of Oracle. You can't question mgmt.

In past 9 years, i observed that managers fire people with impunity, whom they do not like or consider them as risk to their job.

Oracle strategies n work model are disasters. They simply want to acquire good company, earn via licensing n kill it eventually.

The question is how long can an IT company survive without good techies, which loves to kill its own Dev n product team, in order to improve Quarter numbers\margins.

Yeah,top 20 % leave and are the most experienced and skilled.

Those who stay are unskilled and still learning.

It does not look good for me.

poor skilled people and outdated software (adf) are not anything that can make customers happy.

See @T85xn3y-1eui