With more and more boomers being laid off, it looks like Honeywell is becoming a company of millennials. Is that a good or a bad thing for us?
I know this might be a touchy subject, but I'm just curious what people think.
I personally think that without proper balance, we are doomed.
I went on vacation and when I came back (6) ISC people had left to other companies. They may need to bring the pensions back to hang on to the few people they have left. I don't expect ALT to do anything until it hits a dollars metric.....
The company sux regardless of age group, people leave with their running shoes
And we had the best music :) (Gen-X)
This thread just won't die.
Seriously if you look at everything historically, I think that the GenX generation has to be the best of both the baby boomers and the millennials.
Baby boomers were handed everything. Their jobs, their cheap a-- college, pensions, you name it...they had a great opportunity to do things.
Millennials...jesus, what can I say? The biggest issue they have to make is what gender association they would like to be called. A generation of people trying to get funded for everything, from Coachella to an apartment.
GenX...those are some people with grit. Coming out of school in an economy in the toilet. Trying to raise a family when your government was bailing out banks. Seriously, this generation has been through some crazy sh--.
BTW, Hon is the next GE.
Helping / training others helps them and takes time away from you performing to your metrics. We are ranked and compared against our piers these day, so why help others? Honeywell has latched on to this thought of its all about people - identify and keep the best, purge the worst - that is how we manage. Bark out an order and wait for a result and keep score. I am an older guy who changed jobs, no training for me either. Just some worry that I may be a good performer, raise the bar and knock someone else down. Lots of competition among employees in the same group. The pace I see some people trying to maintain, you can only keep that up for so long.
He is telling the truth...
WTF are you blabbering about? Everyone, but you s---s, really? The company is going down, but we must stick together,why? your rant on generational failures serves no purpose, (your really sound like you are from ALT, nobody is good enough to work here but you) what course of action of are you suggesting beside waiting for the axe to fall on each of our necks?
Sorry, but I agree with the last poster. Baby Boomers have an attitude that they've earned respect for having a cushy job for xx years and should feel free to lay back and reap bigger rewards going forward just because they exist (unlike their parents who worked their arse's off to the end). Baby Boomers are now the "old school" folks who learned SOMETHING in the past 20-30 years from being on the job, that do not feel the need to adapt or change OR share their knowledge (sorry folks... you're not done. you haven't given enough and your hippie-a-- elitist/entitled attitude has prevented you from doing the basic courtesy of doing what it should to pass on your knowledge to the next generation). Millennials are in a similar class due to the whole hipster movement that was idealized from the Baby Boomers. They feel they shouldn't have to work at all! They should be handed their jobs already done and they just have to maintain (again..SMDH). I am disgusted by both groups, tbh. And to be fair... a lot from my own Gen-Xer's who have given up. This company s---s (RESOUNDING YES), but don't you feel any drive to help out your co-workers? Grow up, everyone. It's not about HON. It's about us!! The company is going down, but we don't have to sink with it.
Haha...great thread. My only Comment is, both you millennials and baby boomers s---. Us Gen X'ers are way way way better. Without us, the world would implode.
Maybe leadership's trolls started this thread to distract us from the real issues like more RIFs, PIPs, spin off problems, and more benefit reductions. Divide and conquer. Focus on the real issues and if there is another one of these stupid threads, ask yourself why it's there. We know leadership has it's pets reading these posts and they are paranoid about leaks.
why has the OP question about having senior-seasoned engineers around to mentor and coach the new engineers (a very valid question) morphed into a stupid name calling generational fight?
The Millennials did not create the Sh=tty environment we all work in, direct your anger at leadership, and wall street for rewarding such poor corporate stewardship of a once proud company.
infighting will not solve anything, especially if you are counting these employees to carry the torch in continuing to develop products that your pension is dependent on.
Your parents must be proud that you know how to make stupid remarks about the generation that laid the foundation for your arrogant a$$ to have the internet and computers. That way, you don't have to leave their basement to post stupid sh1t. If you said these things to a real person, like me, you'd be wondering why your head and you dumb a$$ aren't in the same room together.
Know how to use technology?
We invented technology.
If nothing else, this ridiculous thread has proven that Hon can disenfranise all groups to the point where there is zero trust and wreck our abilities to work with each other. It begins at the top with a dysfunctional ALT.
I am surprised how many baby boomers are able to comment on this post. Good job, you all should feel proud of yourselves. You know how to use technology.
Oh you know where it is :)
Hey. Where's the ping pong table?
Hi, I'm a Millenial, I expect good things to happen to me without working for them, don't ever expect a thank you from me ever.
Day 1 of work, I'm already overworked, this is too much for one person. Can someone train me(do my job for me) again and again and then again. Where is my safe space?
Overtime? That is illegal right? You need an answer, let's see what Google says about that. Mommy, wipe me! Ooops, its 10:00am, time to take the Tide Pod challenge again.
3foj,
You may want to start your list well past 1952-1962. Since the boomer generation wasn’t born until after 1945....all your “boomer” achievements would have been made by pre-teen boomers. Nice try, though....
So, let's see some of the awful things Boomers have done:
organ transplants
disk drive -RAM
Interstate Highways
lasers
weather satellites and modern forcasting
Synthetic Oil
Auto emission reduction started in 1960
Space based imaging helping with increasing food production
MOSFET invented
PET scan
...and I've only gone from 1952 to 1962!
as a kid, you couldn't swim in many bodies of water due to polution. EPA and good laws governing waste disposal created clean water that I could swim in as a teenager that I wouldn't have dared to do as a toddler.
That darn Capitalism is a bixxch isn't it?
The other possible schemes since 1950... socialism, communism all managed to eliminate millions of their own people through outright murder or more subtly through starvation...at least those who were denied the US' excess of aid and food.
Boomers made a more modern, wonderful, healthier world than they were handed. That same world is being handed to you and you apparently don't have the fortitude to put down your video game long enough to realize what a comfy life you really have. I'm pretty sure that you and your pals are going to hand our Republic over to the hordes in about 20 years. Just so you know... when nations fall, history has shown time and again that it's the folks that bring it all about that tend to have the shortest tenure in the new regime.
Seriously though, there has to be an honest boomer out there that know they really messed the world up, as a collective group. Probably didn't mean too, just didn't what they thought was right. Had that capitalist view of the world. There has to be 1 that knows this really f---ed us.
"Every generation
blames the one before..."
-2ozh
Plan to experience poverty and homelessness. Report back in 35 years and let us know how that worked out for you
2ozh went to refill his bong before his parents get home, he'll be right back...
There is a lot of truth to that. Boomers really felt entitled to everything. Entitled to destroy the environment, entitled to destroy the government, entitled to destroy companies. They did this for the all mighty dollar, we complete disregard to how the future would be affected. Their parents taught them to take what you can in life, it is your right.
Millennials have their flaws. But they live life to enjoy life. Not everything is about money, they know that the money have is worthless in the scheme of things. They can't buy a house, they can't afford health care, they can't get a f---ing education with it. So might as well have a good time.
Boomers lived their life's to acquire more and more. Millennials live their lives to experience more and more.
That has got to be the most ridiculous load of pig crap i have ever read!
Don’t blame the baby boomers, this is all Hitler’s fault.
See the “Greatest Generation” fought WW2 and after seeing those horrors, they got it on like Dinkey Kong with their significant other when they got back. Then, they spoiled the heck out of those children. The US was the only modern industrial country that was not destroyed during the war. This led the “greatest generation” to not to raise their kids properly and created the boomers’ me mentality as they wanted the best for their kids, especially since they endured so much hardship (great depression, war). Boomers grew from spoiled kids to spoiled adults demanding more and more without considering the future or others, well because ‘my daddy won WW2 and the US is so far ahead of the rest of the world’. Boomers were/all about image, McMansions, cars, pools, vacation homes, etc. Kind of like millennials before social media and with a large credit line. (Why do you think so many boomers are still working?) Boomers executives destroyed company loyalty to employees (and are genuinely surprised when employees aren’t loyal to the company in return). Overall, boomer execs can’t lead themselves out of a wet paper bag.
But it’s not the boomer fault, they weren’t raised properly. (Borrowing a familiar boomer rant against GenX and millennials). So why did the not so greatest generation fail us so dearly? Well, they had to fight Hitler and frankly were tied and felt they had done enough for the world already. So no Hitler, no boomers!
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Millennials?? Hell my grandchildren are millenials and they have 35-45 years to work until retirement. Gee if they can't figure out how to save a few mill$$ during all that working time to damn bad. It's my kids (genXs) that I'm much more concerned about. They are down to about 20 years maybe a few more until retirement. And unlike many of us baby boomers who could afford a college ed. and it wasn't a big burden for us to help them (20 years ago) they have had to spend much more helping to put their children thru college so it's taken away from their retirement savings. I do agree that the BB gens have messed up a lot of things during the last 25 years.
About buying a house in your 20s. Crap the 1st house we bought when in our mid/late 20s in the late 70s was with ~ a 9% loan and the second a few years latter was with a 12% loan and we were happy as hell to get it at that as it continued to rise to ~ 15+%. So where there is a real will to accomplishment a goal you will find a way to make it happen.
Addendum to below: First two homes purchased when interest rates were between 9 and 11%. Buying a home today is a walk in the park...unless you borrowed money like no tomorrow and partied through school. How smart was that, Einstein?
My first house was 600 sq/ft in a so-so part of town. In 6 years, took out a 2nd mtg, rented the place and put 2nd mtg money down on a "nice" home of 1100 sq/ft. Of course, no millennial who was a "child" until age 25 would remotely consider living in either of my first two homes. It would have been below their standards, for sure. Eventually sold both those homes and purchased a really nice home in the oldest and one of the best neighborhoods. Likely not the choice of a millennial, either as it was 100 years old, with real plaster walls and real hardwood floors and beautiful brick street outside. No Home Depot laminate or Ikea to be found anywhere. Sold it and early-retired to a ranch. All on technician pay. Accomplished this because I was never so spoiled as to think I'd live like my parents until I'd put in about, oh, say, 30 years of work towards that end. BTW, I probably ate out maybe 120 times in those 30 years. I never once sat in a Star Bucks and whined to my BFF about how tough I had it. It's called "sacrifice"; something you have to do to succeed in life. I know your professors told you you'd be running the company in about 18 months, but that ain't gonna happen.
Cry me a river.
TJbjXBu-1dlj, you aren't alone there. Millennials are about 10-15 years too young to have had access to affordable housing and education. Don't forget about the mountains of student loan debt that so many of us, or our spouses, have if you didn't have parents who could afford to pay tuition for you.
As a millennial, I have serious concerns about my future. I am nearly 30, and don't see how I will be able to afford a house ever. The cost of a home has outpaced the growth in wages by a lot.
I don't know how I am supposed to retire. 401k? That thing is a joke. The cost of living is so much. How do you save and and prepare for the future, while trying to live today. Social security will most likely be gone when I am retirement age.
Seriously, no amount of time in my safe place will help me solve these problems.
How did this happen? How did my parents but their 1st house in their 20's? Why do I feel the world is against me?
I just want to live my life.
Hey millenisk-posing OP troll-
BOHICA PIP to you
prior generation did a s-load of unpaid OT
so go get bent
and P.S.
good job whipping up a fun trollstorm
you probably don't even work for the place
go back to your Mommy's basement and play videogames, until she calls you to dinner
make sure to ask if she finished your laundry and folded it for you
@1lid - Don't be indignant and assume all boomers have pensions. Most don't. And "we" didn't create the 401(k) or any other mess for you. I raised kids who thankfully aren't indignant, and hoped we'd all have the best. I worked hard to get where I am, but have watched the company stir a pot of rotten soup, and my colleagues get churned-around and spilled-out. Mentors, leaders, and people who everyone could "go-to" before are shamefully gone. You don't have much to look up to here.
Leadership conveniently underestimates the value of decades of experience. Perhaps in a management position it doesn't mean very much, in most technical jobs it means everything.
Pretty sure Cote is a baby boomer...any boomer would do the same thing he did, he just had the opportunity. It is in your generations blood, it's your culture, your entitled view of the world.
You had a better life than parents and a better life than your kids.
It's OK, we understand. We will just keep working, paying your social security, ours is gone.
Enjoy your house that was affordable. Your pensions that cost you pennies. Your lifestyle purchased on credit.
@TJbjXBu-ebd HA HA HA sure blame the hard working employees probably been their busting a-- off trying make a living. I wouldn't blame the older generation for the 401k mess see below who did it.
Hum how about the CEO who left the mess and got paid out pretty good when sold tons of stocks and all the decent bonuses he got. I remember when he complained he only got a 30mil bonus one year while rest company had take furloughs and such as said don't blame hard working employees.
Imagine the company if a millennial ran it...
The current disaster is the effect of baby boomer leadership. I'm sorry to say, baby boomers handed millennials a mess. Baby boomers...please stop your b--ching, take your f---ing pensions, fat stocks and retire. Leave the millennial to clean up the mess, and pray that we will be able to retire one day with the sh--ty 401k that you created for us.