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The useful career life-expectancy of engineers and developers...

The useful career life expectancy of engineers and developers these days is between 21-41 years old, if you can even make it to 40ish.

A lot of engineers have already figured out plan B is to using that 20 years to accumulate as much money as possible and invest it elsewhere in passive income producing assets so that your money can work when you don't want to/can't. Now more then ever, there is no other option. It's just not engineering, it's everywhere.

All they need to do is just move more work overseas to its remote office locations. And everyone knows you don't enter engineering purely because the salary is good. You probably start out around the mid $80ies-$90ies these days with a masters....And if you're good, you can stay purely technical and have a peak comp package around $200k year, give or take $10-20k) somewhere when your in your early 30ies...Figure about 30% of it goes to uncle sam, another 10% goes to the state franchise tax board since you're on W2 or 1099. Compare that with your accomplished lawyer or doctor or dentist (assuming you can graduate not so knee deep in debt. Some of my neighbors that own private practices are seeing kids graduate with $400k+ student loan debts who will never be able to find a bank to loan then additional money for them to start their own practice). Financially speaking, you do "ok", not great. And worst, you have a lot more "maintenance" to keep up than lawyers/doctors do. You see many doctors/lawyers practicing all the way until their gray haired/beard. You don't see many engineers, unless you move into management or because a high level architect. The other alternative is to move into sales. There, you have the privilege of selling things that the company really doesn't have, that someone else will eventually have to produce, for which you don't have to be responsible for since you were already paid to meet your numbers. So invest wisely, my friends. Buy lots of dividend paying stocks, buy as many rental properties that generates positive net income. Buy your primary home and take out a low 15 year mortgage so you'll be done with it by the time your engineering "life expectancy" expires. Start tucking away money in that 529 plan for that kid(s) you might have now, so that your kid has a $200k when he/she goes to college to he/she doesn't have to drown in $200k+ student loan debt. Start a side business so that can be a your tax writeoff and hopefully eventually end up being profitable so it plus all of your other passive income ends up at least being equal or if not more than your W2 wage income. You really have no choice, plus it's the end all/be all when you have enough f*** you money.

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Post ID: @OP+TS8M8dE

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I have been a hardware engineer for almost 30 years. I have been a consultant, worked at various companies big and small and have a wide range of experience. Problem with Q is that it keeps you on a narrow focus and burns you out. I love to learn new things and just got a job to learn a new skill.

I didn't even think that was possible. The point is don't buy into the idea that you can't continue to be employed, that is self sabotage. The financial planning advice above is sound regardless.

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Post ID: @2pyy+TS8M8dE

Re: no kids. Great for the environment and responsible thinking in an arguably over-populated world. Except that there's a multitude of seriously under-educated people pumping out kids, many of whom can't afford to have them - and other people are paying for.

It's an old story in humanity, but we're at warp speed right now (over-population + scarcer water + extreme hot/cold regions + nukes + zealotry in the name of whomever you worship + whatever else you want to throw in = a serious mess).

The world kids are inheriting has serious problems, but I hope that educating them will result in a smarter, more humane populace. A pipe dream, but I'm not a full-on nihilist (yet).

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Post ID: @1jla+TS8M8dE

double income with no kids bring a lot of money

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Post ID: @1ims+TS8M8dE

Let us see who needs plan B, is it Qualcomm, nXP or their engineers..

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Post ID: @1ttw+TS8M8dE

No kids.

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Post ID: @1xch+TS8M8dE

Solid post with classic investment advice - but I don't see anything in the post about how much it costs to educate a kid these days with 18 years of quality lessons, not just "average" lessons. ECs like piano, certain sports, etc. Yes, in SD there are some decently-priced options for the average engineer's family - but I have been pricing camps, schooling, private lesson fees for years, now. Quality teaching costs a lot in SD. I can't always easily find the level of instruction I was incredibly fortunate to have as a child, in a myriad of different activities. And private lessons are quite pricey depending on the location/instructor. So that's something that takes a significant chunk out of the paycheck, for those families that pursue that route. (Not every skill can be learned simply via surfing for free streaming 'net options.)

-Signed, spouse of an engineer that struggles with the entrepreneurial side of things, but continues to engineer past the conventional "past-due" date of many engineers, because spouse is a true engineer/architect at heart

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Post ID: @kro+TS8M8dE

wht is OP?

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Post ID: @dge+TS8M8dE

Good advice. I’m 51. House is paid off and have two rental properties in top school districts pulling in a total of $11,600/mo in rent, plus solid dividend stocks. I drive a Kia. Prepare well for retirement — planned or otherwise. Don’t waste money on stupid stuff, yuppie trophies, etc., thinking the income & career are going to last forever.

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Post ID: @uqx+TS8M8dE

Solid advice, good post OP. You can make it beyond 40 in engineering, but planning for the exit is by far the best. Take some additional risk if you are young though, nobody gets rich on dividends only.

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Post ID: @qwt+TS8M8dE

I've been writing software professionally for 32 years and counting. So there is definitely a career path. The trick is you have to keep changing and improving, and the only way to do that over the long term is if you love it. There's a lot of people who do it primarily for the salary; they tend to drop out after 10-15 years and find a second career (which is a perfectly fine decision). It sounds like the OP is ready to make that switch. Good luck to you!

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Post ID: @zim+TS8M8dE

Lots of words, an someone summarize it? Anything about trunk lunches in the post?

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