I'm rather new to Oracle and I'm not really sure how layoffs are done here. Is everybody notified on the same day or does it spill over into the following day or two?
I really, really need this job right now, so not being sure is taking its toll on me. I would really appreciate any info you can provide.
You'll not get a lot of real information on this bulletin board.
I suspect that your question is possibly (yet) another 'wind up'.
Being "rather new to Oracle" (this would infer that Oracle wants your skills rather than being one of the large group of Oracle employees with skills that Oracle no longer want/need) , I would suspect (if the question is a real question) that you don't really need to worry too much
Today is Sunday so yes, not even LE lays people off on Sundays / too inconvenient. Starting up again 5/21.
Which week are we talking about? I want to know.
Yes, layoffs are over for the week.
AND... even if you are the only person that knows some area and you are doing a great job in that area, after you are gone, the manager you work for can make up anything he wants. If the work in that area, after you leave, completely goes to crap, he'll just say that you were doing a much worse job than he ever imagined. You will be blamed.
It's all spin, the managers above don't know sh-- and so the lower level managers can make up anything they want to. It always feels better to blame the person that is no longer there.... it makes everyone feel better.... and it gives the whole management chain someone to blame that can no longer defend themselves in any way.
That manager's s----ups will parrot anything that manager says about anyone. It does not matter what kind of work you do. The only thing that matters to your manager is who the s----ups are. That's it.
You have no idea what is in the manager's mind, he could say that so-and-so is least productive because that person has disagreements with him. It's very subjective, particularly when there are no longer any performance reviews. Without reviews and a review history, the manager can do anything he wants to do. If he keeps the guys that he feels most comfortable with, he can then hire in India to replace anyone else he doesn't feel comfortable with.
I have witness the sacrificial ritual when a new SVP came to power. Line managers were told to pick one staff member. Depending on the manager, choices were: less productive, the one that would find a new job the easiest, the older/most expensive.
@TdtnSXt-1sgg is probably correct. I have witnessed, a single team with a single SME left in the team and was let go. This was near a decade ago but that's the way of it. Pick one or couple people from a team.
The only way to survive in Oracle is to ensure that you are the best at what you doing and more importantly, what you doing is still relevant to the market.
This is just not true at Oracle. I was the one with the knowledge and the one that was needed, but I am no longer there.
What you really need to do, if you really want to stay, is s--- up to your manager. The managers are inept, incompetent and extremely insecure. They keep the people who say "yes" to everything they say. If you are technically competent but disagree with your manager, you will be the one that goes. They can hire 5 people in India to replace you technically, or so they think. Doesn't matter how good you are in your job.
Your last paragraph says it all. You need this job... but the fact is, the job may or may not need you (and in most case it's a not).
The only way to survive in Oracle is to ensure that you are the best at what you doing and more importantly, what you doing is still relevant to the market. This way, even if Oracle doesn't need you anymore, someone else will.
Remember, that Oracle doesn't normally hire idiots (well, most of the time). Hence, if you are in Oracle (and even if you had been in Oracle), you aren't too bad. But if you don't believe in yourself, don't expect Oracle or anyone to believe in you.
Layoffs for groups usually come at the end of the week, my group went to 2 rounds of layoffs in a 8 month span. The most recent one coming at the end of January. The third round coming at the end of this month beginning of June. You usually have some insight if you are effected a day or two before, they call it restructuring. They layoff small groups so they can go under the radar as far as having to make it a news story and bring negative publicity to the company. When you are working at Oracle, layoffs are part of the culture, the old saying, "it is not personal, it business", you can be the greatest employee in the world and do your job and still get layoff. I am thinking they pick names out of hat. It is what it is when you work for large software company.
Last 3 posts here... I reckon that Oracle layoffs are largely random. So at least you don’t need to worry about keeping on top of performance review etc. Yes, green dashboards are a great way to stay off radar. Always will be other areas drawing attention. I too am hoping for a package, but I can’t wait much longer. :-)
I sure hope the layoffs aren't done. I want a package.
@TdtnSXt-1ctt....box selling mindset....aren’t we all like that working at Oracle. We are trying to fake numbers and quotas to keep our jobs. Trying very hard to show management how hard we are working and nothing to show for in $$$ but just green on the dashboard.
If you get too stressed out over lack of job security, maybe you should rethink working at Oracle. There is never a time when layoffs are not immediately on the horizon. And no person or group is ever safe around here.
Stay strong. Oracle is not a bad company, it is a great company with very great products , unfortunately some of the leadership has no clue in running a cloud business - most of them are from the box selling mindset. It will change soon and I am sure it will come stronger than what it is today.
@TdtnSXt - It's death by a million cuts.
I have been waiting for the axe since November 2016 !
I think it's time gentlemen, please.
"t's very hard to tell. Oracle likes to stay under the WARN notice counts"
Which is rather easy to do outside of California.
It’s a vicious cycle that is hard to break. You do layoffs so the business deteriorated which causes further layoffs and even further deterioration. At some point the execs need to get the ax to break the cycle.
It's very hard to tell. Oracle likes to stay under the WARN notice counts so they don't have to announce the layoffs. So if they are laying off an entire area, they have to do it a little at a time.
So, it depends if you are in a targeted area. I would expect that layoffs in any area occur at most only every 3 months, because of the WARN stuff. So a targeted area could have small layoffs every 3 months until they reach where they want to be.
LOL, yeah the Oracle Offboarding Initiative.
No worries, Oracle has great layoff onboarding program, it happens so frequently that you will accustom to it in no time.
It depends on what you mean by "everybody".
If there is a layoff in your department/LOB, it will be in a single day. So if some of your coworkers got the ax but you didn't, you should be safe ... for now. If your LOB continues to deteriorate, there could be more layoffs in the future.