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WE ARE BEING FORCED TO SELL HUM despite the countless Problems, Escalations, Customer Experience, OCC credits, Unfair Coaching, Returns,etc...

"Integrity is at the core of who we are." is the key piece of Verizon's credo, however this is undermined by the fact we are being forced to sell a product that causes so much amimosity toward our customer experience. HUM is not a product that Verizon just offers, it is a product that we are constantly being beaten over the head with on a daily basis. I am a Solutions Manager for Verizon, and I can say there is no dialogue for upper levels of management to tell them this product is doing more harm than good. Everyone reading this post can tell countless stories of escalations because someone bought HUM. How many customers have switched providers because they are not being able to return this thing. If the average customers bill is around $220 a month for 12 months thats $2,640 of residual income that is lost because of a silly $10 per month. Verizon expects each rep to sell about 5 of these per month; there is no dialogue about whether or not the customer actually wants this or not, it's just about it being on the account. This is very reminiscent to what Wells Fargo got busted for: replace account with lines and you have the same issue. It is blasphemy for leadership to even say anything negative about HUM. The product itself is completely preposterous. In 2018 most vehicles come with built in diagnostic services; I have no faith in its other features because of countless problems with it. Everyone reading this has countless stories of their own of problems with HUM. The issue is the fact that we are being FORCED to sell this! Retail is being forced to sell out their integrity to meet a number. I will explain the most effective way to sell HUM:

  1. You must get the right customer, typically an elderly customer or a customer who is not particularly the sharpest tool in the shed. No intelligent customer will even let you speak about this product for more that 30 seconds without saying "I don't need that."

  2. You must have the correct account; if you have someone that is on a unlimited plan or a plan where they receive $15 per month line access discount you are done, because you have no leverage. It's best to get someone who is on a MORE EVERYTHING plan. The best case scenario is someone who had family on the account who did an AOL at some point and never changed their plan to adjust. For example if someone is on 16GB plan, only using about 4GBs and their line access is $40 and out of contract, that is your best case scenario. Also never mention the tracking device that is placed in the OBD reader; this will immediately turn the customer off, because it looks like some kind of tracking device ( isn't it though?) Wait until the transaction is already complete before showing the customer the OBD connector.

  3. You must rerate or "re-rape" a customer's plan, using deceptive sales tactics and mind control methods to manipulate a customer into thinking they are getting a bundling deal with HUM. The less you speak about HUM, the better; the more Hum is talked about the less interested the customer becomes and it becomes a negative back and forth. The customer will state "Why are you pushing this onto me?" Instead you must speak about how they are saving money and HUM is included. The customer will often ask "Do I have to get this HUM to get this plan?". Because of the pressure being forced on retail to move this product, the answer is "Yes, you must get this if you want this price." I know, I know; the higher ups would say "THAT'S WRONG and THAT GOES AGAINST WHO WE ARE. It is easy for them to say this from the comfort of their office and away from the sales floor. It's a clever trick they use to distant themselves from HUM, demanding the HUM sales and also wanting to sell it with integrity.

  4. This is most important: NEVER SET UP HUM! This is a bad product objectively. Setting up HUM is a nightmare within itself. The same customer who will actually agree to buy HUM is the same customer who has no clue what an apple ID/Gmail is, let alone their password for it. It becomes a process of resetting their password, downloading the hum, setting it up. Mind you, the customer has been the in store for probably close to 2 hours already and is ready to leave. HUM app is notorious for stating "ERROR CONNECTING TO HUM SERVERS, PLEASE TRY AGAIN IN 15 MINUTES" so it ends up being a situation where this product that you swore by (basically stating I could save the customer's life) results to defaulting to an error message. You will be lucky if it actually takes 15 mins. The OBD reader sticks out like a sore thumb in the car and looks hideous in some vehicles. The app itself will endlessly spam and nag the customer about their safety score sometimes hours after the trip has ended leading to a angry customer coming back because HUM notified them at 2am about how they took some random turn too fast (or something like that). With all that being said, put the OBD reader in the Verizon bag and throw away the box; explain that Tech Coach can show them how to install the device (knowing full well they will never make that call) making the customer forget they even own it, so that they will not return it.

  5. Hum returns: Despite all these efforts, for every 5 hums that are sold, 4 will come back, 3 of them will be escalations, 2 of them will require a large amount of OCCS, and 1 of them will lead to a bad NPS with a call to district manager. An extremely effective method of saving a HUM return is using mind control methods and reverse psychology, stating "NO problem Mr. Customer, I can return that for you. It will be a $35 restocking fee (very soon to be $50) and I'll put you back on your old plan, but your bill will increase." The customer will agree not to return it.

Again, everyone who is on the front lines KNOWS this is how HUM is moved. Higher ups will think that I am a bad person and breaking the "credo" (or I like to call it VZ's insurance policy if Elizabeth Warren ever drags the CEO before congress.) I have worked in 5 stores in my 5 years, and this is how it's done in all locations, and this a very mild explanation; there are a lot worse methods of selling HUM that I will NOT participate in such as literally telling the customer they must get this when upgrading a phone ( I have never done anything so severe, however I have seen it many times between reps, SMs, and GMs- in other words there are many people who are worse than me. Please look at the COUNTLESS reviews on HUM, and you will see exact parallels to what I have stated in this post from our customers. Verizon higher-ups please understand we HATE selling this thing. We hate the way we HAVE to sell it. I have been battling with morality issues for sometime now all because of this HUM. This is the only products that is like this (maybe jetpacks.) IPads, watches, Gizmos, entry level phones- none of these products need to be sold with mind control methods and are sold with integrity; it is only because we are being literally FORCED to sell this that this is what the result of Hum has done to VZW. Must be nice to order us to sell HUM while you don't have "blood on your hands" so to speak. I cannot believe this is still being pushed on us, FORCED on us to sell. You know how many customers have looked at me with pure hatred because they realized they were tricked into buying this thing? You know how horrible I feel about that? I hate using these deceptive anti-customer, borderline illegal sales tactics to push a product so that you can be home at 6pm every night with your family, when I barely get to see mine.

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Post ID: @OP+URW1gj4

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I have never been screwed so bad by a company I thought was honest.

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Post ID: @rLpbz+URW1gj4

No one in my district has talked about hum in 3 years. Occasionally a customer will come and ask for it and ill say REALLY?? and ask why and sell it to them if they still want. Sometimes i see it on my custimers bills and ill recommend they disconnect it and theyll say that they love the thing. To each their own i guess

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Post ID: @l2mmg+URW1gj4

I remember in 2018 during a morning huddle when my manager told us reps that if we don't sell hums then we won't have a job in a few years... its been a few years... I'm still here and never sold hums. Can't believe anything anyone says in a corporate position as they just lie.

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Post ID: @kYcwq+URW1gj4

Just removed one of these from my 84 year old mother-in-law’s car, so that I could scan a check engine light. WTH. She said she bought it so that she could leave the Verizon store. Said she would’ve agreed to anything to get out. She also said that she finally canceled the subscription because she didn’t understand it and never used it. I wonder how much of her $$ went down the drain in this one.

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Post ID: @kUtet+URW1gj4

I worked for Verizon for eight years. I loved that job. I was always a top producer and I always sold with integrity. That company has arguably the best benefits out of any company next to maybe UPS. I was a manager for 3 years In North County San Diego and our stores always sold a lot of Hum. We sold them with honesty. It was no different than selling the HPC. It’s right for the right person. Life is about perspective. I choose to see the positive side of life. I got fired in 2017 after 8 years of loyal service for giving the store key to an employee because I had a family emergency. I could easily say bad things about Big Red. The truth is, that company taught me a lot and allowed me to feed my family and provide shelter for my son. I hope things get better for you my friend. God Bless

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Post ID: @b4hpp+URW1gj4

Absolute truth in that OP, that’s why I had very few hum sales ever. And that’s also a point were I learned not to trust leadership. By the way, I have not even seen my DM since last year..must be nice to have achieved such a position.

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Post ID: @9bnqq+URW1gj4

I'm one of those customers who had this wretched thing tricked into our lives. My family has a shared plan and some rep talked my elderly mother into buying it for my daughter and myself. The speaker buttons broke within a couple of months and as far as I can tell the GPS in the dongle stopped working too b/c it uses our phones for location info. How in the world is that supposed to help? What if the car got stolen? What a waste of money and it's IMPOSSIBLE to get real support or even figure out how to get rid of the damned thing.

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Post ID: @9bsst+URW1gj4

Fell for Verizon rep LIES about getting phone discount with Hum. Plus lied about insurance coverage. Paid termination fee to get rid of it. Called store manager and she said she had no one by name of rep I told her—and he answered the phone!

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Post ID: @5Dobz+URW1gj4

WELLS FARGO!!!! It’s time for someone to speak up and get the Media involved.

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Post ID: @4Sxkm+URW1gj4

Still being slammed on unsuspecting customers, still being forced down employees throats, still a price of c-ap. The only ones that don't get returned are the ones slammed on businesses to get them to 5 lines for their discount, they don't come back because these people are told to just throw them in a drawer, they need them to make their bills cheaper. Several reps in my district are documenting what we are being told to do to sell these, just think if the Media were to get ahold of some of this....... people are being swindled and we are being instructed by Dms and sm's to do this.

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Post ID: @4Sfrh+URW1gj4

We experienced all the bad sales tactics mentioned above. Plus now our hum reports erroneous locations, false driving habits and now interferes with the Starlink system in our brand new Subaru. I gotta say this makes us madder than hell! Verizon will soon be getting an earful and probably a hefty bill.

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Post ID: @4Sfyk+URW1gj4

TRUTH!!

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Post ID: @zlvu+URW1gj4

I agree with all the negative comments! Sell with integrity, if you sell with integrity you will be fired in no time! Hum is forced on customer and is such a horrible product, Im on stress leave because of these tactics, I can't live with myself doing customers so dirty.

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Post ID: @wtjn+URW1gj4

My DM tells us all how great this product is and how easy it is to sell, he could sell one to every customer, does he own one NO! So you believe is this awesome product so much, but you don't own one....... Because it's a P O S !!!

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Post ID: @vysc+URW1gj4

I couldn't agree more man. You sound like me

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Post ID: @uoqp+URW1gj4

Hum is junk. Worthless junk. We all know it.

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Post ID: @hctc+URW1gj4

I’m already outta VZW but here’s a HUM tactic to get the GMs/SMs to back tf off!

When that customer is in front of you & you have pitched & they’ve declined the first time...

Spot a mgr GM/SM doesn’t matter. Call out their name very nicely, but excitedly wave them over to you while the customer is there. Let them know that you’ve just told the customer about a product & make them “tell the customer more about the HUM.

Watch them sweat. Get a NO & experience your life for a while.

Do it a few more times based on how the HUM talks are coming at you!

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Post ID: @hybs+URW1gj4

If Hum is the future of Verizon you guys are screwed

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Post ID: @2jaj+URW1gj4

I agree with the above 2 comments, sorry but this was a place people shared information anonymously for our benefit. You scare me for the future of Verizon and need to understand that Verizon needs your help, everyone on here needs your help selling this product because it is the future of connected device sales. This is the first product so it ist the best but it's what we have( 1st generation)and we need to be the professionals we are paid to be. Verizon owns HUM yea I know you know this but that's extremely important. There is a direct relationship between how fast we can ramp up ourselves positioning new products and doing what we can to save our jobs.

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Post ID: @2soi+URW1gj4

Sounds like the ultimate HUM job!

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Post ID: @2awp+URW1gj4

Please, that comment above must be from someone not working in a store. You have no idea what managers tell reps to do. Check your “leadership” message before blaming reps for the way they sell.

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Post ID: @1czy+URW1gj4

This sums up 90% of the hums sold at my store, the other 10% are sold to businesses to get them to their 5 lines for their discount. We have been told by managers and even had to go to training, telling us to rerate plans and include it in the new "lower" price, and if customer refuses the hum,we we're told to tell them we cannot change their plan . We have to be on calls with our DM if we don't sell 5 a month, and yes, you need to sell 10 because 5 are coming back. This product is making customers hate Verizon, just like all the people that were slammed with the Ellipsis 7 tablets.

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Post ID: @1xzq+URW1gj4

Today was my last day at Verizon and I hated the Hum with a passion. I was forced to role play every morning until I sold one for the month. If I didn’t sell one I was threatened with a write up. We were told to pitch it to every customer and bundle it into the plan. The product is awful and I saw so many of them. Also kind of ridiculous to pay a $35 restock fee for the “free” Hum we sold them or even if they paid the $29.99. People ended up paying money to get rid of it. Absolutely ridiculous and I look forward to it backfiring on Verizon.

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Post ID: @wkd+URW1gj4

Yeah saw this plenty of times when Hum came out. If Hum is such a great device why don’t they ever advertise it? The Hum should sell itself and yet here we are explaining how reps screw people over to sell hums.

There are no bundles that require it

There are no plans that require it

There are no phones that require it

Sell with integrity

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Post ID: @nnx+URW1gj4

My hum is great >. It shows me a faulty NOX sensor. Funny thing, I don't drive a diesel. Even the "certified mechanic" on the hum support line said. Yep pretty much everyone that has a hum shows this, a known issue, no big deal. Umm what???? LOL

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Post ID: @qvy+URW1gj4

If you're selling this way you have no integrity. You can sell a product to a customer based on their needs, but when you don't find a need and just push random features at the customer of course they shut down. This doesn't mean that you lie to them because you "need" to sell them. To be blunt, you should feel bad by engaging in and encouraging this behavior across multiple store locations. Learn how to sell with integrity and help your reps with the same. Good luck

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Post ID: @jlv+URW1gj4

Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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Post ID: @nsb+URW1gj4

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