Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Welcome to the New Normal - Uncompensated Time Off

One no longer has the benefit of paid time off.

Mandatory overtime is here to stay. It is the new normal. At least at Honeywell.

Managers have informed their employees verbally that a determining factor (unwritten)

in their 9 block rating is how much free "uncompensated" overtime the employee works. Last year time off due to vacation did not count. This year it does and the effect is eye opening.

Let's do a simple calculation on what that means to the company and the employee.

Assuming 40 hour work weeks the maximum number of hours in a normal work year assuming no compensated time off is 40X52 = 2080 hours.

In the past company paid Holidays and vacation subtracted from that

12 paid holidays

2 Weeks vacation (using industry standard minimums)

Assume the employee is sick 1 day per quarter (32 hours). Not a unreasonable amount.

22 days x 8 + 32 = 208 hours

A normal work year (no OT) would be approximately 2080 - 208 = 1872 hours. If one took more vacation the amount of work time in a year without OT would obviously go down.

Now let's factor in the mandated OT.

The OT target is 10% per week. That equates to 208 hours per year which by chance equates to a minimum paid time off benefit calculated above. Hmm...

One still gets time off but now the employee is not compensated $$ for it. The time off benefit in effect is the ability and most importantly permission from the company NOT to show up for work on particular day(s).

Different ways to look at this

  • 10% loss in compensation for hours worked but not paid

  • 10% pay cut

  • The company minimizes its overhead paid obligation by using the "fear" of a negative 9 block rating to "elicit" compliance. The company can still advertise that it has paid vacation, holidays, and sick time. However, by eliciting free OT out of fear of bad 9 block rating will not translate into long term profitability.

Using fear and intimidation only goes so far. One of the keys to the success of a company is happy employees who feel that they are valued and appreciated. The fact that none of Honeywell's competitors use this tactic should also be eye opening for anyone considering staying or looking at Honeywell as a potential employer.

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Post ID: @OP+VKjETZw

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Me and my colleague both did not get any directions from our boss but I got the general email and i am 3 and he is 4 i think it depdnds on the boss.

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Post ID: @3txu+VKjETZw

Hey the engineering support dept I am in at Aero one of my co-workers say his boss told him that they (his boss's boss) want all our goals for the year done by Oct 31st. However I not got no notice in my email. Maybe because I am band 3 and my co-worker is band 4 . Something may happen before Dec 15. uh-huh ?

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Post ID: @3qst+VKjETZw

@2atl Layoffs continue in small numbers on a department/function/site basis, to stay below the radar. Targeted layoffs also continue for former WFH employees who were reassigned to other SBG sites (not their own SBG). These small reductions keep HON out of the press and make employees less knowledgable about what is happening so that there is less "bellyaching and martyrdom" on this board.

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Post ID: @2mms+VKjETZw

There is a lot of bellyaching and martyrdom on this board. Does anybody have any information about layoffs? That is the purpose of this site.

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Post ID: @2atl+VKjETZw

I'm salaried and I have been discounting myself at 5 - 10% for years. My choice and I think it has worked in my favor.

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Post ID: @2gae+VKjETZw

That 10% OT still gets charged to the project and customer, any guesses where it goes? Hint: not you!

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Post ID: @2ajx+VKjETZw

You'll never effectively defeat their strategy unless the employees organize, and they're counting on you to never do that. Your best solution unfortunately is to work somewhere else.

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Post ID: @2xtl+VKjETZw

There's a lot of complaining going on here on these posts but what's the workable solution to change the root cause problem?

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Post ID: @1xnd+VKjETZw

Pure greed knows no boundaries. Fantastic analysis of the underhanded way they implement pay cuts without saying they are pay cuts.

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Post ID: @1knc+VKjETZw

If you are a current employee, post this on Glassdoor.

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Post ID: @1zli+VKjETZw

You did the math! Thank you! If you are a salary employee, mandatory OT is a pay cut. Since Honeywell knows a sudden 10% pay cut would cause rioting, they've figured out this black door way to reduce employee pay.

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Post ID: @1ono+VKjETZw

Just mention to your mention you want to retire soon ...it solves everything as they know they have no leverage...but if they think you aren't going to leave soon...

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Post ID: @1wdd+VKjETZw

Amazing post, thank you for your analysis.

My question is what will happen when we barely can find jobs for 40 hours. This situation happens every 3-4 months.

So is that a way to flag those positions.

This company is becoming b---s---. Also times that we spend on trainings or meetings are not charged to projects so you have to work overtime for making up the time for it. How long can they go on squeezing out of employees. If This is the only way to show growth the game will be over soon.

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