I'm part of the OCIC area. I am actually dreading the next few weeks when the lay offs will happen. There has been whispers of such thing here lately so I am not motivated to work at all.
Any chance we can get more info on those rumors? Is it just the usual talk or has something verifiable actually leaked?
OCI-C (formerly OPC) was always c-ap, never close to being a real cloud environment. I'm glad I was never s---ed into that org.
Just relax and have fun, oracle won't do that at least this year. Cutting off ocic people would be the same to public as "Oracle layoff cloud dev" and we know what that mean to the stock. People are going to be moved to something else. Oci is far from ready to go
Looks like the lions share, over half the severance packages are coming from one particular line item.
Page 19 of the Last 10Q: Cloud and license = $ 230 Million. Wow. Looks like the cloud teams are going to get obliterated. Is Oracle pulling out of cloud?
Lets say this another way $230 Million out of $432 Million is earmarked for employee severance packages in cloud and license.
Again... just one word wow. Its like Oracle said we need to sell cloud and all these cloud sales, support and customer success guys have failed. You know what? Autonomous will patch itself, support itself, and eventually sell itself. Lets dump the employees and the Autonmous do its thing.
Am I crazy? Or did I read this right? Oracle is earmarked over half the severance packages to let go the very people in needs to succeed in cloud.
ocic is probably already earmarked with severance packages. Time to party and relax. Just chill till you get your packages
Money power speaks. People they are getting on board from AWS, MS etc are really good.
Their mindset is that they are here to save Oracle, even though money that oci makes is small pennies..
Surprisingly OOW did not showcase any OCI offering. They have decided to complete only in database and enterprise apps. People in paas services not making much revenue are at risk as well.
I would guess that even though the migration tool is being developed by a group in OCI, they will need information and support from people in OCIC to get the work done. I would expect OCIC to drag their feet all the way through it.
To the comment about hiring from outside companies like google, microsoft, etc. What kind of people do you really think will move from there to Oracle? Oracle is bound to get the leftovers.... the people who didn't succeed at those companies but see that they can use the company name to get themselves hired in a dump like Oracle.
There is no way to recover from this huge mess. Nobody wants Oracle on their resumes if they can help it. Throwing money at rejects from google, microsoft, amazon, etc is just more money down the drain. The ship is doomed. Only rats left scurrying around pretending to do work.
Just relax and have fun, oracle won't do that at least this year. Cutting off ocic people would be the same to public as "Oracle layoff cloud dev" and we know what that mean to the stock. People are going to be moved to something else. Oci is far from ready to go
"Why would the OCIC people help with the creation of an OCIC to OCI migration tool? After that exists, they will no longer have jobs, right?"
This id--tic thinking needs to be flushed out of Oracle. If you show you are a versatile engineer that can deliver you'll be moved to something else after project completion.
I am so tired of the 20+ year resting dinosaurs here. Oracle should cut once and deep this time, purge the dead weight so the new blood can turn this around and deliver.
Good. The less OCIC people involved the better. I wouldn't trust anyone who built OPC to be able to build anything that we will depend on.
The migration tool from OCIC to OCI is not being done by OCIC people but rather is being developed by a team in OCI. DJ has created a new org in OCI called Migration Services managed by AK (reporting up to RP and then CM). If you look at the org you can see that the majority of people come from an acquisition that did something similar (move VMWare workloads to the cloud). Clearly they are planning on using that technology as the basis of the migration.
You guys all talk like migrating OCIC customers is going to block laying off OCIC people. Have you seen what happens to other products and services Oracle’s executives grew board of? Those customer are all going to get burned. And no one in the executive suite cares. That’s how Oracle has always treated our customers and it’s why so many of them are don’t trust us anymore.
I think the country club rule might be applied here..... @S2Qo88Y
Why would the OCIC people help with the creation of an OCIC to OCI migration tool? After that exists, they will no longer have jobs, right?
Of course, the tool is not done..... good chance it never will be done. Seems like Oracle will have to layoff the team before that, in order to get people in to finish that task? Who's building the migration tool? OCIC people or OCI people? Looks like a lot of foot-dragging will be going on in the OCIC team to me.
Meanwhile they have poached quite a few people from amazon and Microsoft, GV and KG in the OCIC .org are both relatively new from Microsoft
They want to poach Microsoft, Facebook and Google? I'm sorry, only a fool would leave any of those places for Oracle.
It's not a rumor and it's happening within the next few weeks. I don't want to give any names or groups, but we got told by our direct manager who broke ranks with upper management that we're all not going to be retained and we're going to be let go. We were told the thought is "new blood" is required and they want to poach from Microsoft, Amazon and Google.
OCI only accounts for 10% revenue. Layoff OCIC is a stupid idea for anyone who relies on number to get bonus
No way of happening in at least one year, confirmed. Lots lots of OCIC stuff must be still available to public as OCI replacement is not ready (or even started, for many many services).
defintely no way the OCIC2OCI tool will be released so soon.
lot of problems (expected, at least to those with a couple of neurons still working) still to be resolved, some seem to be impossible to solve unless you migrate the data (not so easy) and start a completely new service, similar to a porting rather a migraation (or replatforming as some really genius manager called it. pun intended).
moreover, services available in some OCIC DC are not available in OCI DC, and viceversa.
last tentative roadmap I have seen pictured a mid summer cy19 for the ga of the tool, and it will NOT cover every possible case (i.e. some OCIC customers will be on their own for the migration)
There is an OCIC to OCI conversion "tool" in the works. It was supposed to go to GA this month, but was held off(I believe until December). Problem is, they are going to try this out to some 10 or so customers first before releasing this tool to the public. If I were one of those customers, better back up everything.
OCIC is only the "cloud-on-a-box"?
heard the same rumors, good luck folks.
@anyonymousmonkey32
"PaaS layer or Saas Layer needs to be developed, tested and migration plan has to worked out and tested.". No they don't. Don doesn't want OCIC to work. he wants every customer off of it and OCIC gone. If it is painful for customers they will move faster. It's Oracle, existing customers do not have to be supported
All OCIC services are being disabled for new customers. I.e. no new instances will be able to be created, Everything going forward will/must be on OCI from now on
@VNAdxE7-hjp VPs don't (even want to) understand what you are saying.
@sew - Oracle Cloud Infrastructure - Classic. Essentially Oracles 1st Gen Cloud aka Exalogic.
I don't want to comment on layoffs. But I want to comment on the content
1) 1st there is no magic wand to convert OCI-C customers to OCI. PaaS layer or Saas Layer needs to be developed, tested and migration plan has to worked out and tested. This will take good 9-12 months.
2) They can disable a product if there are no customers. This will and might happen in OCI world as well.
3) I agree with OCI-C were paid more than market salary when they had no product and they want to keep the engine running. But it was earlier employees who joined Oracle from Nimbula aquisition. But What I heard is OCI employees are getting double the normal salaries.
what is OCI-C exactly?
Yes, it's happening. I can't remember the exact dates, but I think it falls in November 1st - 8th for the first round. OCIC services are being disabled in production (not by that date, a little after), all customers are being forced to OCI. Any services that relies on OCIC is also being disabled. Only a few people to keep the existing customer instances running before they are migrated will be needed and that will continually be reduced. OCIC staff are not being "integrated" with OCI teams, they are being placed under them until they are let go. It was a fun ride.
All rumours have some element of truth. Sorry but you can expect things to happen now...... OCIC were paid more than market salary. And it is old generation tech as per biggest boss. So bloodbath will start now.