It’s looking like all previously exempt remote employees under Aero ISC are being told they have 30 days to reapply for their jobs and relocate to a site or they will be let go early next year. This would be fine, but we were hired as remote employees and the majority of us do not live within driving distance of a site. People were hired as short as a month ago for these jobs and are now being told to move or get moving. Is Honeywell really this short sited? They are struggling to find people to fill roles as it is.
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Agree!
Yes, a full 50% of Aero FQEs are already KBR contractors. They off course do not have to relocate to a HUB.
Don't worry, contractors at KBR Wyle will be happy to fill in for all of those affected.
Exactly what Honeywell wants, a mobile workforce of contractors who can be let go by not extending a purchase order
Ship in place got HON in trouble years ago but I've seen more of it in the past 2 years to make the numbers. It seems to be getting out of hand again and it can be an accounting violation. Fill out a whistleblower complaint on the SEC website and maybe you can win big bucks.
This should only add to the "Ship in place" for high value orders at the end of the month. I can't tell you how many times I've seen engines, APUS, and GCUs awaiting FAIRs or supplier parts and "Ship in Place" to make the revenue but are still short paper work (FAIRs) or some component. Seems like that ought to be some kind of SEC violation.
https://www.dodhotline.dodig.mil/hotline/submit_complaint1a.cfm
https://hotline.faa.gov/
And why Clw is always in trouble with the gov't. Other sites to follow.
Yikes! I imagine we can expect more of the same now. I can remember before we had FQEs and had to figure out at incoming or in process that the FAIRs and parts were incorrect. At least there are no regulatory or safety concerns.... oh wait.... This will also do wonders for the MM $500M supplier past dues.
obkt -
in Clw, Diggie had SQA fill out both sides of the paperwork, inspect in R/I and Heaven Help the Eng. who's product failed. No muss, no fuss, and no trips. I couldn't get out of that group fast enough.
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't risk severance on word of mouth. Also wondering how they are going to cover First Articles and supplier problems with all of our field employees as "HUBS". As if we don't have enough trouble with suppliers already.
If it ain't in writing, don't depend on it; for that matter, even if it is, it can be changed. What I don't get is that the field people were in the field in general to be near key suppliers remote from any Honeywell hub. OK - so we move to hub and travel expenses to suppliers will skyrocket until they are shutoff, and then what?
Here is my take: Be very cautious. This is a way for the company to not pay for relocation. You take the job and then in near future they tell you that you have to report into that hub site on a regular basis or be let go. This way you either leave or pay your own relocation as they will say you violated the terms of the employment agreement. I heard of this happening to others a few months ago. Also a few month ago a certain person had the same agreement of. It movin g and when they actually asked HR they said no you must relocate just be cautulious. Good luck
I applied for same role at a hub and a offer was received, thankfully exact compensation.I'm worried it does state hub location no remote option.The Sr Mgr informed us since we are field employees we won't actually move, just report to hub location each month once. He can't put in it in writing, just says arrange for fulltime supplier visit and continue remote work. Is this a viable option? Or will the site report attendance? This is coming from director level but definition in a procedure does not exist. Concerned all agreements dissolve and cannot rport 3 hrs and more in heavy traffic, also risking severance.
Use and abuse Honeywell just like they do to you.....
Management has pretty much stated that if you put in for your job that is being reposted at one of the hubs you will get it. There might even be a relocation package. If you don’t put in you get standard RIF package
I am so thankful I took the package when I refused to drive 2.5 hours to an office . Now I'd be getting RIFFED with nothing.
There is no way I'd relocate back to Phx. and I know the drive would have put me over the edge. Retired at 60 after 37 years at Garrett, Allied, Allued-Signal & Honeyhell.
Too bad leadership chose to screw loyal employees never letting them retire & celebrate that achievement. A sorry excuse for a company. Shameful.
Rumor is if you are remote and apply for a similar job being posted at a hub, that many will NOT be hired. And those who get an offer will be at much lower pay. If you get an offer at lower pay and turn it down you forfeit severance benefits.
I was in Sperry Flight Systems in Phx in 1981 . I remember the company actually bought-out their Phx homes for workers getting transferred to ABQ. Yep. Good'o days long gone.
Specific to sep's comment, these decisions are made by people who have no idea what is going on and why it is important to have key Honeywell located near suppliers across the country or even in key overseas areas. The decision gets made and any exceptions to it are considered to be rebellious, short sighted, etc. Hiring contractors or short term temps is the likely result, but I'm not sure that is part of the plan due to my assumption of leadership ignorance. I was an Aero troubleshooter based in Phoenix for years and it took a long time to train leadership about when it was useful to send me or someone else in and when it wasn't. Of course, I had to repeat the training with every new batch of leaders, but that's another story.
FYI thanks to "middle class tax relief" relocation expenses are no longer tax deductible. If Honeywell doesn't want to cover all of your moving costs then you should strongly consider walking. Aero leadership is terrible for doing this to people.
I work in Supplier Quality but not effected as I am already associated and near one of the 6 hubs. I can tell you that all those field engineers not near a hub will have to re-apply for their job that will be posted at one of the hub sites. From what I hear they may or may not be giving relocation packages to move. If they don’t apply they get standard RIF benefits. Like another post states, we already have problems with suppliers and this is only going to make things worse. Many will leave and they will expect the rest of us to go all over hells creation to cover NOT. I have been with Honeywell for many years. Time to get out. None of this makes sense
Take a severance.
This is someone deciding we don't need Hon employees in these areas to take care of suppliers. If you did relocate to a Hub, would Hon pay your travel to go to the suppliers? Likely the plan is to rid the Hon badges, then hirr 3rd party workers when issue start.
There are already many problems with supplier quality and cutting these employees will only result in more line stoppages and field issues. There have been personnel cuts previously in this group, and this is just shooting the other foot. With all the current ISC problems, one has to shake their head over this move and ask if there is any common sense remains in Aero and ISC leadership.
If they gave you 30 days as of YESTERDAY, then you'll just miss the match cut off of December 15th. The Grinch this Christmas is Honeywell ALT.
tim the baloney man will still get a bonus.
Are they offered any compensation or just given the choice to move or be gone? Can they collect unemployment?
Hub Strategy. And if they do it for Aero you know it’s coming for the other divisions also. Do what is right for you and your family.