Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

the useless b-tching and moaning of people like @WNT8gbC-1dla is what brings O down. I'm getting so tired of people complaining about managers. there are good managers and bad managers and, yes, @WNT8gbC-1xtt there are still good managers out there but they are certainly worn down on a daily basis and it comes from the top: CR, RS, etc. and it comes from below with useless people who like to do nothing but complain and sabotage and other managers who like to create their own little fiefdoms. if a manager does not understand cloud, its because they are kept busy with pointless busy work and don't have time learn the cloud and that is coupled with the fact that cloud training is all theoretical since you can't actually get your hands on a cloud account. how can a cloud company not provide cloud accounts to all its people to learn how to use the products? serious question here: do the other vendors do the same? do amazon, msft, ibm, goog, etc support people need to fight to learn their products and then not actually have hands on access to the entire environment? does anyone have first-hand knowledge? I don't know who "matters" within O but its not frontline managers, or their bosses or their bosses. you probably have to get to the first VP level to find anyone who really counts for anything in the eyes of upper management. most everyone else just tries to survive. and as for CR and RS, CR was another LE buddy that needed a job. RS was a d-ck in Dev who was brought into a revolving door of VPs from Dev into Support who were supposed to "fix" support. There was nothing wrong with Support that Dev could fix. It was Dev's fault that Support was considered broken because of the cr-p that Dev produced. RS was head of EM for chr-st sake, how much bigger a piece of garbage is there than EM (many actually). Maybe instead of trying to "fix" support with people who make garbage and know nothing about support, get someone who actually can provide a vision of what providing world class support would be.

@WNT8gbC-1xtt is spot on, I don't know of any support manager or above under CR who understands what cloud is, they're all clueless id--ts.

It would require a major gut of the existing management. Too many are of the old LE mold - better to be feared than respected. Arrogant, abrasive, my-way-or-the-highway types. Development has always been that way and Support was infected when CR (ex-head of Database Development) took over support. Support had been different - treat one another with respect, give the 1% possibility that you don't understand and seek understanding first, etc.... But with CR and his henchmen (RS, etc.), Support quickly devolved... and then came the gutting of long-term employees (7+ years average tenure) as EMEA was wiped out (~2015). I doubt how many really good managers are left to establish a positive culture at Oracle. I was at Oracle from 1998 - 2016 and it was truly sad to see it collapse into chaos. My best to anyone trying to stick it out there.

The 3 stooges know how to take the most out of their gentiles employees.

Need new management all around, ie need to lose the 3 stooges and their henchmen / women

This is LE's personal playground, and he made his f--- the world money decades ago. He's not going anywhere.

Agreed with OP wrt reputation for licensing audits up the wazoo and thuggy government relations tactics. See stories about the current smear dossier about JEDI that everyone assumes has Oracle behind it cuz that is how they roll. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-web-services-jedi-smear-campaign-2018-12

Who would ever want them as a new provider? Who would ever want to sign on with them?

Because Comcast's name was forever tarnished because of putrid customer service, they had to transition to a new name (Xfinity). Oracle is in the same boat. in customer's eyes, they'll always be associated with high costs, aggressive licensing police, and cr-p customer service. I believe the only way out for ORCL is a name change and an expensive image rebranding campaign, taking 2-3 years along with a total shakeout at the top and perhaps a merge or being acquired.