Thread regarding General Motors layoffs

Unions have ruined the auto industry.

I for one will never buy another NEW vehicle again. Prices are just way way out of line. $40,000 plus for a decent vehicle, $50,000 plus for a SUV, 60,000 for a Truck. Even with ridiculous rebate, givebacks etc of 12,000 and more I sill won't buy it. Imagine when all the fancy stuff with self driving, electric etc comes into play it will cost even more. Screw the whole industry let them go under. PERIOD. I am sick of it all. Executives don't run companies like they should anymore.

I'm not sure I agree with this argument. I am not union, but I've worked along side union people half of my career. Sure there are not so great union individuals, as there are non-union individuals, but most are good hard working people that want to put food on the table, and send their kids to college.

GM did go bankrupt. It declared and formed an entirely new GM corporation, simply by wiping the debt off it's books and keeping it's assets. It negotiated all the retirement pensions out of it's hands, and worked with the unions to create a two tier wage system, extremely generous to GM. Are you suggesting that it would have been better to allow tens of thousands to lose their jobs in pure liquidation, solely to spite the company? I don't agree. You can take any ill will you might have out, against the company, in other ways. I myself, simply do not buy their products, nor endorse them, but I will not sell out my counterparts looking simply to earn a living. As the saying goes, it's better to love and loss, than never have loved at all. This is true in the industry. It's better to have earned a half of life worth of earnings, than not to have earned any at all. I find the statement offered as quite ignorant and juvenile. In the last half dozen years, ALL salaried and hourly enjoyed fantastic bonuses for their contributions.

Are you speaking on behalf of an employee, former employee, or simply a spectator looking in - I'm curious? I don't agree with much that this company does, as I've witnessed first hand, a number of amateur moves the managers make, and were unable to calculate or anticipate ahead of time. Intellect only allows you to go so far, and it's not guaranteed to be abundant at the manager level. You don't need to be an intellectual to become a manager. You simply need a piece of paper, a few dollars, and the proof you put in the time to acquire. I would say this also translates into the higher ranks of the company. A piece of paper does not equate, nor define intellect. It doesn't mean a person is intelligent in the least, it simply means you put in the time, and paid the entry price. A starting point for the entry level to perhaps become a critical thinker, or an intellectual. With exception to some, have you ever wondered why most managers are azzholes? They need people to keep order, a certain personality trait that is unbias to all conditions.

That said, you should consider council from those that walk this path, that have spent decades in the shadows of this company. Put aside ignorance. If you are part of this GM legacy, you know that the moves of today are solely based upon greed. You would know this, if you lived through the 2008 debacle. It feels entirely different. It offered entirely different conditions. One was a situation of desperation. The other, greed, at a time of yearly record profits, and at a time where corporate tax cuts were offered. Not only did the company keep these cuts for their own, they doubled down and laid people off. Recognize it for what it is. It's corporate greed at it's finest, and Mary will forever be recognized as the first female head to implement it. As said before, Rick Wagner had more integrity, given the monumental challenges he faced. I say that first hand as having witnessed both accounts.

GM would probably be in a lot better shape today if it had been allowed to dispense with the union contracts, forced to strip down to its component parts, and dealt with the financial realities of 2008, fighting with the kind of lean realities that and extremely limited capital that Tesla has to deal with. The entire 20th century infrastructure and culture of entitlement needs to be sc-apped.

There's not a single startup in the world today that would start an American car company and staff it with a hundred thousand workers. That's a 20th century relic. It'd be as closely to fully roboticized as possible to the limits of our technology. Tesla's almost there already.

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Take your made in China cars and stick them up all your asses.