Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

Can you or someone PLEASE explain why they are targeting telecommuters?

Can you or someone PLEASE explain why they are targeting telecommuters? What is the benefit of forcing people into an office, especially those who work in a position where "collaboration" is not part of their job?

I've been stuck in a dirty smelly office for 3 months now, I don't see anyone, there are no meetings, etc. So why am I made to waste my time commuting, spending extra money on gas, tolls, wear & tear on a car when I can do the same job from my home, as I have been for the past six years? No one can answer this question for me.

Many frustrated people asking this everyday. If it's b/c folks took advantage, here's a news flash, they will do the same in an office. And shame on those Managers who didn't address the problem if it did exist.

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The first wave seems like a tactic to get rid of the most expensive employees in the company. Those in costly pension programs from the legacy mergers. Make their life the most miserable as possible, eliminating the #1 employee survey request: "a better work-life balance" Which is why the employee survey was cut off to avoid reading employee complaints.

As a bonus some will quit while everybody is been dragged thru the same mud. I would caution the company that this will not only leave resentment in those that leave, those that are affected but also in those that continue with the company. You dragged everybody thru the same mud, just to get rid of their peers. And they were witnesses of what you are capable as a form of manipulation to cut employee head count.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-1fpr

@nkm

Is this serious? Slower than collaboration teams? What.....a......friggin.....joke.

I work in an office 4 days a week and let me tell you, when I go to the floors where people are “collaborating” I have to wait in line......for my coffee. It’s a joke. I interact with MANY people who telecommute full time and guess what? They always answer my calls and my messages.

What a troll you are and how archaic AT&T is thinking you have to spend 50 hrs a week in a sh--ty old office to get work done.

It’s asinine to lay-off awesome people because they telecommute.....stupid

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-zlf

@gbl no actually I'm an entertainment employee in Denver so I've been working with the El Segundo folks for over a decade and it's well known here that any meetings with folks in LA need to be completed by 4pm pacific time or you simply won't get participation most days of the week.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-sth

@gqm nailed it

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-ezu

@X4sKEmX-btk

Glad to hear you’re starting to come around. Now do everyone a favor and please resign.

Sincerely,

The beautiful, wonderful, intelligent and wealthy people of El Segundo.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-wxk

I work in the field. When it comes time for union contract negotiations the company has all techs who home dispatch report to the garage. They do this because if the techs have a work stoppage they don’t want company assets beyond their reach.

For those participating in WFH the company is trying to make sure if/when your job is eliminated that your laptop, phone and proprietary information is accessible to them. The company doesn’t want to have to rely on you to ship their assists back or risk you not returning them.

And by making coming to work more difficult you may go find something else.

Solves two problems at once.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-dki

I say let CA have the company after @gbl post, wow what a toxic environment that sounds like. I WFH, and keep servers running. What good would a ‘team room’ do except pollute my needed space with unwanted conversations, smells, and distractions.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-btk

@nkm - how utterly insulting your post is. Our group was entirely VO, we support a system, we worked 10+ hour days, nights, weekends - we were not "slow" by any means. And we all shared our responsibilities & helped each other. We were NOT a liability.

" you should be onsite to do knowledge transfer. This is the basics of contingency planning" -what in the world are you talking about?

"Grab a team room", are you kidding? How do you plan to get the India folks in a team room, furthermore there are no "team rooms"' in these locations. Q chats & conference calls solved our issues.

You must be the top guy who oversees the VPN reports while drinking the SAFe kool aid.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-ayi

“Yeah, I love enjoying my life by sticking around the office until 5:30 and getting home at 7pm at night, too!! So much better than spending time with my family!“

You’ll soon have plenty of time to spend with your family. Cheers!

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-qya

Quit polluting every thread with this La vs Atl bullsh#t!!!

We all work for the same dirt bag company. Let’s all try to work together, share information, collect a check as long as possible, and patiently wait and watch as this company is destroyed. Plan for your future, take your money and watch this giant dumpster fire from afar. F T!!!!

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-jgk

Yeah, I love enjoying my life by sticking around the office until 5:30 and getting home at 7pm at night, too!! So much better than spending time with my family!

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-ngs

Oh, look some loser (probably in Atlanta) is complaining about El Segundo car pools. Derp.

Here’s something that’s going to blow your tiny little mind: I work in El Segundo and was at the office until 5:30 PM. That’s not all! When I left, there were other people in the office still working! Wow!

I can’t wait until all the ATL babies are sent packing. Bunch of crybaby trash with some deranged vendetta against Californians who are too busy enjoying their lives to care.

God, I just love El Segundo...lots of excitement on the campus, and plenty of new blood from Atlanta tiptoeing into the office, now having to rub elbows with the very people they unfairly targeted and sabotaged.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-gbl

@ccp: Hell half the people in El Segundo are gone by 4pm their time for their van pools or "to avoid traffic"

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-kis

@nkm, based on your pristine logic, if teams are spread across "collaboration zones" in Dallas, Atlanta and El Segundo they would still need to schedule a call to address any issues. Just so you know if you schedule a call at 10AM eastern, supposedly core working hour, you will not get anyone from El Segundo joining the call...so it goes for people working from offices. :)

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-ccp

Most tech companies offer unlimited working from home as a way of attracting younger talent.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-xjj

Because work from home employees are a liability.

And many of them are quite lazy.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-nmc

They are targeting telecommuters because remote workers are slower than onsite teams, and they are a liability. If you are the only one doing your job, you should be onsite to do knowledge transfer. This is the basics of contingency planning.

There is something wrong with our collaboration environment when the default answer to everything is to set up a call instead of grabbing a team room.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-nkm

@gqm for the same reason Amazon and Google are moving HQ2 to NYC, Apple is going to West LA where 95% of population rents and is fairly transient. They want you cheap, for a few years at best and then let's feed someone younger to the machine.

The Register has covered such scams quite a bit - here is the most recent one focusing in IBM 'no telecommuting' scams:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/09/ibm_age_iayoffs/

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-fdl

It's more complicated.

It's a part of a bigger shift to hire younger folks with lower salary requirements.

Here is how the scam works (many companies are doing this):

  1. Create a hub 'only' model

  2. Put hubs in urban areas where nobody with a kids would want to live

  3. Put hubs in areas with high student concentration (close to colleges)

  4. Discontinue telecommuting

  5. Wave old-timers goodbye - no severance as they quit on their own

  6. Welcome new, fresh from college, hires

  7. Watch new hires, grow old and leave on their own once they want to form a family

  8. Voila! Mission

Just go and see what IBM, Bank of America, State Farm and others are doing right now - this is a massive trend in the Fortune 100 world and will be spreading to other areas of the economy too. It s---s but they did find a loophole to avoid being punished for #AgeDiscrimination, #H1B abuse, #NoTelecommuting, etc... So, in short - that was the plan to kill #Telecommuting

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-gqm

Only applies to ATO as far as I have heard.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-jxf

Yep, they don't give a c-ap that you were a telecommuter, they just want to make your work life as miserable as possible to get you to quit, so they can dodge severance and the headlines from a huge number in a layoff announcements.

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Post ID: @X4sKEmX-fnq

Don't have to okay severance if they quit.

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