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Opinion: IBM plays a confusing game to claim stronger cloud business

IBM Corp., like Oracle Corp., is giving investors confusing information about its cloud-computing revenue, trying to show its business in the biggest, best possible light.

The most baffling part of IBM’s IBM, +8.46% approach is tying its cloud business — an attempt to find revenue in new technologies — to its mainframe business, an old technology that was the biggest reason IBM managed to break a long streak of declining revenue last year. In the company’s quarterly conference call Tuesday, Chief Financial Officer Jim Kavanaugh said the slower growth rate of 6% of its cloud business in the quarter — down from 13% growth in Q3 — was due to the current slowing cycle in the mainframe business.

That appeared to be a new wrinkle in the way IBM reports its earnings and how it breaks down its cloud business. IBM gave charts in its presentation to accompany its fourth-quarter earnings call, which added a new column on page 16 in a chart that breaks down the revenue growth of its so-called strategic imperatives businesses. The new column shows growth data for these imperatives, from analytics to cloud to security, “Excluding IBM Z yr/yr.”

IBM is trying to show more growth for investors in its newer, emerging businesses that it groups under the moniker of strategic imperatives: cloud, analytics, mobile, social and security. In 2018, half of its total revenue of $79.6 billion came from strategic imperatives, which totaled $39.8 billion, a goal investors were hoping it would achieve, as opposed to more revenue coming from its legacy mainframe business.

IBM said total fourth-quarter cloud revenue of $5.7 billion grew 19%, excluding its mainframe business, the IBM Z. If the mainframe business is included, IBM’s total cloud business grew 6%.

“When you look at cloud in the quarter, the cloud number as printed really reflects the same fundamental headwind on the rap of the product cycle, the mainframe, that we had to overcome,” Kavanaugh said in response to a question on Tuesday’s call.

When asked for more information about how its cloud business is connected to its mainframe sales, IBM said that its cloud business is a bit different than other cloud companies because it has an incumbent position in the corporate data-center market, with its big installed base of mainframe customers. Customers might be running a private cloud on their own premises, using some IBM mainframe capacity, or they might be running on an IBM cloud from an IBM data center, which will also use some of its mainframe capacity.

“IBM has a lot of private cloud customers. And because of the services business, it will see more and more hybrid implementations as clients want to operate a hybrid environments,” a spokesman said.

IBM includes hardware used in creating private and hybrid clouds and its consulting and systems integration work in its cloud total revenue.

Analysts who were on the call — at least those who managed to pay attention after Kavanaugh blathered on for 43 minutes straight of prepared remarks before the Q&A — seemed to appreciate the new breakdown.

“We would have preferred IBM’s 4Q sales upside to originate within the Strategic Imperatives units," Nomura Instinet analyst Jeffrey Kvaal wrote in a note to clients. “All is not lost however. IBM offered new disclosure that revealed the decelerating in the SI [Strategic Imperative] units stems from the completion of the z14 mainframe cycle. While only 10% of SI sales, the 40% plus decline in Z series sales weighed on SI sales quite materially.”

Forrester Research analyst Andrew Bartels, though, believes that counting services and systems integration as part of the cloud is “bit of a stretch” and that computer hardware sales to clients for cloud computing “is a real stretch.”

“IBM’s definition of cloud is pretty broad and very elastic,” Bartels, a vice president and principal analyst at Forrester, said in an email.

“IBM wants to count hardware when they want to show the size of their cloud revenues, but don’t want to count hardware when they want to show growth in cloud revenues,” Bartels said. “So, of their $5.7 billion in reported cloud revenues, I would count only $3.1 billion as really being cloud, and most of that is private cloud.”

The total $3.1 billion of true cloud revenue in the fourth quarter comes from cognitive solutions, where IBM reported $700 million in revenue for software as a service and single hosted applications, where it competes with Salesforce.com CRM, +0.54% , Oracle Corp. ORCL, +0.61% ORCL, +0.61% and SAP AG SAP, +0.75% SAP, +0.75% and $2.4 billion from technology services and cloud platforms, where IBM has some public cloud services like Microsoft Corp.’s MSFT, +0.97% Azure and Amazon.com’s AMZN, +0.48% AWS, but it is more heavily based on private cloud services, he said.

IBM’s inclusion of hardware in its cloud data is a bit reminiscent of, but not as devious as Oracle’s move last year to suddenly stop breaking out its cloud revenue in three different businesses. Instead, Oracle combined cloud services with license support in one category, just as its cloud revenue growth started to slow.

While buy-side analysts may have seen IBM’s move as useful information, it is confusing and reeks of a ham-handed attempt to make its newer businesses appear to be performing better than they actually are. As these legacy tech companies attempt to battle younger competitors in newer fields, investors should watch out for these kind of accounting tricks.

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It is simple:

sell a mainframe outsourcing deal with equipment running in client data center = Cloud Revenue

Sell a legacy mainframe running IMS in client data center = cloud revenue

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Post ID: @1che+XhAaJds

Stronger cloud business?

Knew a couple guys who jumped on IBM Cloud while it was still named Softlayer.

They uprooted their families and moved to Dallas on their own dime.

Both were laid off within a couple years. Doesn't seem to strong to me.

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Post ID: @1hpo+XhAaJds

All IBM Strategic imperatives should be viewed with suspicion. What gets accounted for as any one of those buckets is subject to the whims of management based on current year sales objectives

When evaluating ibms finances best to just focus on the audited financials and ignore the strategic and cloud blather

If you look at the audited results you will see what matters. Absolute profit down y2y for 5 years (not eps. Actual earnings). Same for revenue. Ignore divestitures as they don’t call out all the acquisition revenue.

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Post ID: @1rnp+XhAaJds

@uhw spot on.

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Post ID: @dyd+XhAaJds

People in ICP (IBM Cloud Private) are getting laid off for two reasons:

  1. ICP hasn't been selling well. IBM is mostly giving it away

  2. With the Red Hat acquisition, Openshift will replace ICP

So, if you are currently working on ICP or contemplating learning ICP, do no longer waste

your time. ICP will be dead sooner than later.

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Post ID: @giu+XhAaJds

The only company reporting "pure" cloud revenue in the way most people think of cloud is Amazon.

IBM cloud revenue = GTS installed VMware at the client, GBS did a "cloud strategy" project, Systems sold them a mainframe to run some on-prem Linux private cloud stuff, etc in addition to the real cloud stuff on Bluemix/SoftLayer.

Microsoft cloud revenue = Office365 and Outlook.com mostly, in addition to the real cloud stuff on Azure.

Google cloud revenue = mostly GMail and GSuite, in addition to actual GCP.

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Post ID: @uhw+XhAaJds

IBM Cloud is bust, quit being delusional. RH will not make a difference.

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Post ID: @nej+XhAaJds

It's not just the cloud business. It's all the way across IBM. Those business units are crammed full of old technologies that have declining revenues yet there are able to prop up the business unit results as a whole. Since they don't break out what strategic imperatives are in each unit, its impossible to really know how the hell is going on there.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind here ....

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Post ID: @ogi+XhAaJds

Then why are people in Cloud Private being laid off?

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Post ID: @qmw+XhAaJds

It’s a well known fact that IBM Cloud rather do private cloud. They even make it more financially attractive for clients to do so. None of my clients want to rent a physical data centre anymore because they don’t want the management overhead that they have to pay for. A loser all around indeed, but then again Softlayer was never built as a true public cloud.

By the way, Microsoft plays a similar trick about cloud revenue. However, their revenues are higher by 1/3 and they have 1/3 of the staff of IBM.

As sad as it is, we need to right size badly in order to survive.

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Post ID: @cxe+XhAaJds

Link to original article --

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ibm-plays-a-confusing-game-to-claim-stronger-cloud-business-2019-01-23

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Post ID: @zup+XhAaJds

Soon IBM will report 100% of its revenues as Cloud... and declare itself the King of the Cloud. Nothing of what the CFO said made any sense... that is the IBM way... smoke and mirrors. Hard to believe the stock is up $10 and that they raised the full year 2019 earnings number... How is that going to happen when IBM has to sell at least a division to pay for Red Hat!!! It is just a joke and most of the analysts just don't get it.

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Post ID: @yzd+XhAaJds

Hell of a post

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