Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

The way Cisco layoffs are performed

The managers issuing layoffs aren't doing that of their own volition. There's (simply put) an xls spreadsheet with a bunch of employees. Somewhere they draw a line. If you're above the line, you get laid off, if you're below, you're fine (for now).

Now, where they draw the line changes from year to year, and it depends on the country and local labor laws, but generally speaking:

You're more likely to be cut if you're

High-grade role and been in that grade for several years

Are a manager/director with no or only a handful of direct reports

Are above a certain age

Have been hired in the last year

Then they take a second look. Could the list be construed to discriminate against age or gender? Then it will be adjusted and a few names will be switched. Anybody have any special protection, like works council members? Then they'll be taken off the list (unless Cisco really wants to get rid of you - then they'll go to court if necessary).

And that's basically it. There's no performance indicator playing a role at all. Individuals get laid off or fired because of performance. LRs happen based on budget allocations.

If you got Friends in High Enough Places, they might be able to take you off the list, but this has become very rare in recent years. More likely you're laid off and then your friend is able to offer you another role in your notice period.

But anyway: Once the lists are decided, managers are informed who, how, and when they need to have "the conversation(s)".

Thought that this was a good post and that @XS8EWlU-fhwi gave a good insight into how layoffs are actually done at Cisco.

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With that said, it's not allowed to put somebody in an LR list who was in a Performance Plan or who is being told by the manager they have performance issues. However, I am sure there are deviants...

That's a change from before. Back in '10, I was targeted by a new manager after years of service, annual performance rewards & constant recognition by customers & my manager. Within 60 days of this new manager's start, I was suddenly "under-performing". My performance review that happened within 60 days put me in the bottom 10%. Then 6 months later, my mid-year review showed I was heading for the bottom 5%, so I was put on a PIP and had weekly goal setting meetings where the goals got harder & harder and farther away from my role/expertise. Then, in April of '11 when Cisco announced that mass workforce reduction (WFR) that would take place in Aug of '11, suddenly my goals quit being increasingly difficult and the PIP meetings seemed more pro-forma. I knew then that I was going to be let go, and I was. It was pretty much one of those things that everyone knew, but no one acknowledged for months.

Cisco needs to return to the days of letting the bottom 5% go, but don't make it mandatory that teams have to let someone go. There are team, however few, where even the bottom 5% are better than some teams core group.

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Post ID: @2rngt+Y78esOL

Thanks for the insights! Do you know, how does the severance packages differ in various countries impacted by the LR? In Europe, there are countries with quite stiff laws on terminating the employment contracts, thus the severance packages must be quite different, especially compared to mother country US.

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Post ID: @2rcss+Y78esOL

The age thing is real as well.. there were two layoffs last year. One in August.. the other in Nov.. the folks laid off just on one team were 58 or older but they staggered it across multiple other teams and combined so age stats looked balanced.. it is a calculated approach and Cisco is very good at it now..

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Post ID: @2zsw+Y78esOL

It depends. I was involved in handling several LR's for my department in the past so I am very familiar with the process. LR's occur when there is a leading group who needs to restructure and there is a minimum amount of people that need to be in the package. The thing with those LR's is that the packages are paid by the corporation and therefore, it does not impact the department's budget and that's why other groups tend to take advantage of it.

What it means is that it doesn't matter if the focus of the LR is on Engineering or CX. The VP's of each org in Cisco will be asked by HR if they want to volunteer anybody. It's an occasion to get rid of a role or groups that are not needed. So the fact that the focus of the next LR is CX does not mean your department is exempt. Your leaders may want to volunteer people and therefore, you will be impacted.

With that said, it's not allowed to put somebody in an LR list who was in a Performance Plan or who is being told by the manager they have performance issues. However, I am sure there are deviants but Cisco does cross their T's and I's and going to court against them is a lost battle, according to a lawyer I spoke to.

What can happen is that if a VP or your boss' boss wants to get rid of you for whatever reason or if they want to get rid of specific roles or groups and it's not personal - then the manager has no say. They are communicated and need to execute.

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